I only bought the photos in a big bunch of photos and magazines. I didn't get the negatives and I am not claiming that I have ownership in any way to these photos. If I knew the photographer and/or copyright holder, I would credit that person. I do not have that information and just thought I would share the photos because they are nice.
It was the Beatles Beatles Beatles! auction that was held in April 2013. I don't recall the name of the auction house. I won a big lot of photos and magazines. Those photos were new to me and I just thought I would share them.
These photos are still ab it of a mystery - taken some time between December 61 and December 62. Would love to learn more about them. More research about them here: http://weybridge.de/ringo-making-of-a-moptop (scroll down to end of page)
You can find the Pictures in the Book Remember by Mike McCartney :Page 93 George with his first Car Ford Anglia and Page 94 On the Driveway to Woolton Golf Course.
Ken: Since I get some jerk who likes to leave rude comments. The guy I like to call "Wall is Oval," I have to now approve all comments before I post them. You left your comment at 2:26a.m (my time) so I was sleeping when you left it. It was waiting for me to approve when I woke up.
Ken I always thought these were definitely taken in 1962. Judging from the length and style of their hair, and their clothes, especially Paul's striped shirt w/tie, I guess this photo to be from mid to late 1962. To me Dec.'61 would have been too early. They didn't look this polished and shiny in late '61 and George wouldn't have had a car yet.
Thanks for your thoughts girl! I think late 61 is possible but unlikely. What throws me off is John`s hair - it just never really looked like that after ... say mid-61 or so, pre-moptop anyway. Hope Sara doesn`t mind but here is the full text from my link I gave above: --- 1962 All the photos from this session feature George`s car and it looks very shiny. So maybe having a new car was the reason to shoot these photos? When did he get it? George`s hair looks really full and John (maybe due to the bad quality of the photo / compression) looks like he actually features rather a quiff than a moptop. There is a quote in the Anthology book that unfortunatly does not reveal what time it refers to but it appears at the end of 1962, relating to the appearance changes - like suits - that came with Brian Epstein: JOHN: It was a constant fight between Brian and Paul on one side and me and George on the other (1970). Brian and Paul used to always be at me to cut my hair (1969). At that time it was longer than in any of the photographs - it was generally trimmed for the photographs, but there were some private pictures that show it was pretty long, greased back, hanging around. [...] We were pretty greasy (1975).
The car in question (as seen in the uncropped versions of the photos) was a Ford Anglia 105E - introduced in 1959 - as far as I can tell (see here). This was George`s first car according to Mike McCartney. George confirms this.
This page has more info: George passed his driving test at 17 (so between Feb. 61 and Feb 62).
Paddy Delaney also recalls the car: "George Harrison got a second hand Ford Anglia under Brian Epstein" (so George bought it after 10. Dezember 1961).
When George got his car, Ringo drove him to pick it up (source), so they were friends already by then, possibly Ringo was even in the band already.
A funny letter refering to his car that George wrote to a fan can be seen here and the auction lot description says it was written during the 5th Hamburg season, December 1962.
So what can we gather from this? George got the car after 10 December 1961 and had it by 18 December 1962. Ringo drove him to pick it up - if we assume he was in the Beatles then already that would put the date past 18 August 1962. And if we further assume that this photo was taken to showcase George`s first car then this photo would date between 18 August 1962 and 18 December 1962.
One photo from this session was used in a undated car ad for the Hawthorne Engineering Company in Warrington.
BTW: Brian Epstein also had a Ford Anglia - read this. George gave his dad a Ford Anglia as well - read this.
Yep..they are on the driveway up to the clubhouse. Just a ten minute walk from where i live now And where George and his family lived in the early 60s.
only Picture or with negatives??
ReplyDeleteI only bought the photos in a big bunch of photos and magazines. I didn't get the negatives and I am not claiming that I have ownership in any way to these photos. If I knew the photographer and/or copyright holder, I would credit that person. I do not have that information and just thought I would share the photos because they are nice.
DeleteMike McCartney Pictures in Woolton
ReplyDeleteWhich auction house was?
do you know this?
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ic8xts.jpg
It was the Beatles Beatles Beatles! auction that was held in April 2013. I don't recall the name of the auction house. I won a big lot of photos and magazines. Those photos were new to me and I just thought I would share them.
DeleteI guess that there are no original copies but from photographed images.
DeleteThese photos are still ab it of a mystery - taken some time between December 61 and December 62.
ReplyDeleteWould love to learn more about them.
More research about them here:
http://weybridge.de/ringo-making-of-a-moptop
(scroll down to end of page)
You can find the Pictures in the Book Remember by Mike McCartney :Page 93 George with his first Car Ford Anglia and Page 94 On the Driveway to Woolton Golf Course.
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ReplyDeleteI thought I left a comment regarding the dating of these - has something been wrong with it?
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DeleteSince I get some jerk who likes to leave rude comments. The guy I like to call "Wall is Oval," I have to now approve all comments before I post them. You left your comment at 2:26a.m (my time) so I was sleeping when you left it. It was waiting for me to approve when I woke up.
Please ignore my latest entry - the one I was missing just showed up.
ReplyDeleteKen I always thought these were definitely taken in 1962. Judging from the length and style of their hair, and their clothes, especially Paul's striped shirt w/tie, I guess this photo to be from mid to late 1962. To me Dec.'61 would have been too early. They didn't look this polished and shiny in late '61 and George wouldn't have had a car yet.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your thoughts girl!
ReplyDeleteI think late 61 is possible but unlikely.
What throws me off is John`s hair - it just never really looked like that after ... say mid-61 or so, pre-moptop anyway.
Hope Sara doesn`t mind but here is the full text from my link I gave above:
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1962
All the photos from this session feature George`s car and it looks very shiny.
So maybe having a new car was the reason to shoot these photos? When did he get it?
George`s hair looks really full and John (maybe due to the bad quality of the photo / compression) looks like he actually features rather a quiff than a moptop. There is a quote in the Anthology book that unfortunatly does not reveal what time it refers to but it appears at the end of 1962, relating to the appearance changes - like suits - that came with Brian Epstein:
JOHN: It was a constant fight between Brian and Paul on one side and me and George on the other (1970). Brian and Paul used to always be at me to cut my hair (1969). At that time it was longer than in any of the photographs - it was generally trimmed for the photographs, but there were some private pictures that show it was pretty long, greased back, hanging around. [...] We were pretty greasy (1975).
The car in question (as seen in the uncropped versions of the photos) was a Ford Anglia 105E - introduced in 1959 - as far as I can tell (see here).
This was George`s first car according to Mike McCartney. George confirms this.
This page has more info: George passed his driving test at 17 (so between Feb. 61 and Feb 62).
Paddy Delaney also recalls the car: "George Harrison got a second hand Ford Anglia under Brian Epstein" (so George bought it after 10. Dezember 1961).
When George got his car, Ringo drove him to pick it up (source), so they were friends already by then, possibly Ringo was even in the band already.
A funny letter refering to his car that George wrote to a fan can be seen here and the auction lot description says it was written during the 5th Hamburg season, December 1962.
So what can we gather from this? George got the car after 10 December 1961 and had it by 18 December 1962. Ringo drove him to pick it up - if we assume he was in the Beatles then already that would put the date past 18 August 1962. And if we further assume that this photo was taken to showcase George`s first car then this photo would date between 18 August 1962 and 18 December 1962.
One photo from this session was used in a undated car ad for the Hawthorne Engineering Company in Warrington.
BTW:
Brian Epstein also had a Ford Anglia - read this.
George gave his dad a Ford Anglia as well - read this.
Yep..they are on the driveway up to the clubhouse.
ReplyDeleteJust a ten minute walk from where i live now
And where George and his family lived in the early 60s.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.577286305646625.1073741917.266092880099304&type=3
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