Showing posts with label Pat Kinzer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pat Kinzer. Show all posts

Sunday, August 6, 2023

The George Harrison Fan Club meets George






Photos taken by Pat Simmons or Pat Mancuso

 August 6, 1968 -  One of the greatest days for many people that I know -- members of the George Harrison fan club were able to meet George at his house in Esher and spent time with him on his front steps talking and taking photographs while he signed all of the items they brought for him to sign.  George was so amazing to his fans. 


If you aren't familiar with this story, I highly recommend reading Pat Mancuso's book "Do You Promise Not to Tell"  the story (along with others of fans that met George at his home) can be found in my book "Dear Beatle People: The Story of the Beatles North American Fan Clubs 1963-1972"



Wednesday, February 2, 2022

Do You Promise Not to Tell? - a Book Review

George and Pat (copyright Pat Mancuso)

 

Pat Mancuso's new book, Do You Promise Not to Tell - The Final Story of the Official George Harrison Fan Club, is the revised version of her previous book, Do You Want to Know a Secret.

Just like in her previous book, Pat tells the story of how she started the Official George Harrison Fan Club in 1964.    Pat put an ad in one of the Teen magazines about her club and it really started to take off.  Pat's Club for George grew to become one of the best Beatles fan clubs in the United States.   She had a very well-written newsletter and was in direct contact with the Harrison family.    Due to all of this, she was able to meet George at his home in 1968 and talk with him on the front steps of Kinfauns for quite a while.  She also saw the other Beatles during that time while they were working at EMI on the White Album.   She did the same thing the next year but wasn't able to talk to George for as long.   As the story goes, in early 1972, George got ahold of one of her newsletters and was angry about something that was included.   He demanded an end to all Beatles fan clubs immediately. Pat was devastated, to say the least, and this event with George shaped her outlook and feelings for years to come. 

After the chapters about the George Harrison Fan Club, the book goes into the story of the child the club sponsored from Thailand and how Pat helped her come and live in the United States.   There is also a big chapter about the Peter and Gordon Reunion tours of the 2000s, and Pat became friends with her long-time crush, Peter Asher.   Any fan of Peter and Gordon will find that chapter to be really fun to read.   

The book ends with Pat coming to terms with what happened with George.  She was finally able to accept that it was not her fault that the Beatles fan clubs ended.  You will have to read the book for yourself to discover that part of the "secret."

For me, the real treasure in the book is the three trip diaries that are reproduced.   These diaries are from 1968, 1969, and 1971.  They are the unedited day-by-day accounts of what happened during Pat's three trips to London while she was president of the Fan Club.  It is really interesting to be able to read accounts of meeting or seeing The Beatles in "real-time" and not by memories years later.   These diaries are really interesting.  

Some readers might find some of the later chapters in this book to be a bit dry, but this book is well worth reading because there was only one person who was the president of the Official George Harrison Fan Club, and her story is really amazing.  (Plus -- I wrote the forward to this book!)


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Tuesday, June 2, 2015

A trip to England in 1969

We have all seen Pat Kinzer's great photographs of George Harrison at Kinfauns in 1969.   And if you have her book, Do you Wanna Know a Secret, you have read about it.   While the book is one of my all time favorites, it doesn't go into a lot of detail about that trip, most likely because she didn't get to spend as much time with George as she did in 1968.  So I have typed up from the Harrison Herald the story of when she and her two friends went to England and got to see George.      





Harrison Herald
September 1969
By Pat Kinzer

I had a wonderful three weeks in England this year, as many of you know.  I could never begin to tell you all about it in the newsletter.  However, I have prepared a 13 page trip diary telling about the trip in detail.  If you would like a copy of this, you’ll welcome to it.  All I ask is that you send me a long, self-addressed stamped envelope with 2 6 cent stamps on it.   Since I can’t tell you about everything happened in this newsletter, I made up a list or two of some “interesting” things which is meant to be slightly humorous…but if you don’t laugh, that’s okay because I’m not exactly a born comedian!  Also, I’m printing an exert from my trip diary telling all about the day we (Pat, Lynn and myself) went to visit George at his home.  And now for my humorous lists:


Happiness is:  Heathrow Airport with sun shining for a change…staying in a hotel around the corner from Apple…George’s ponytail…Getting some sleep for a change….2 pm at EMI…”Orangie” orange juice…Paul’s green mini…Kevin and Mal both coming to the EMI door at the same time and realizing that someone’s either coming or going…Chasing Ringo up the stairs to get a good picture, and then running into him and ending up with a close-up of his right eyeball…leaving Paul’s house before the cops come around the corner…Hyde Park on a Sunday….realizing that it was Paul behind the wheel of the car that almost ran you down…seeing John and Yoko giving the peace sign with their hands as they drive away in their white Rolls…running around like idiots in the grass at Hyde Park just to let off some steam and relax…a light burring in the window of Apple late at night…touching John Lennon and realizing that he’s real after all…Ringo saying “Excuse me” when you’re standing in front of him trying to take a picture…George’s Mercedes parked outside Apple…singing “Hare Krishna” outside EMI while watching playback of the song they just recorded…looking at all the mail Mrs. Harrison gets and thanking God that I don’t get that much…Hearing “Remember Love” for the first time on Mr. and Mrs. Harrison’s stereo…the round-about and the policemen in Penny Lane…taking a “ferry across the Mersey”…standing outside the house that George was born in….seeming the primary school George, Paul and John went to and being thankful that I never had to go there….looking at George’s nephew Ian in amazement because he looks just like George did in baby pictures…the Esher train station after riding trains from Liverpool all day just to get there…talking to George at his home and not having to introduce myself because he already knows me…George’s eyes….watching George crack up after being asked to sign a Postcard of Esher…talking about Thames Ditton singing “Little Boxes Made of Ticky Tack”…Mal Evans supplying water form EMI for taking pills and fixing contact lenses…Pat mistaking Heather for Linda on Paul’s intercom system…getting winked at by Mal…shaking to death all the way up Claremont Drive and then wondering why I was shaking…Ringo….John….Paul…George…

Misery is…lugging 8 suitcases from one end of England to the other when there’s only three of you to carry them…warm Coke…being so sleepy you don’t’ know if it’s 5am or 5pm…riding a London bus…the rising cost of room service in the hotels….a copy guarding Paul’s house until after Paul has gone…tipped thirty cents for a twenty-four cent taxi ride and not realizing it until later….sore feet…missing the Hare Krishna march in Hyde Park because you didn’t hear the announcement of the date change due to the fact that you were at Hyde Park waiting for it to start—on the wrong day…getting lost in the Tube when you’re starving to death…finding out that George spent the whole day at Apple and you didn’t know it because you were out seeing lousy movies just to pass the time….seeing George’s car outside of Apple and finding out that it was only Terry who was there…sleeping thru the alarm when you have to check out of the hotel by noon…walking five miles when you’ve only had four hours of sleep the previous night…walking around dark alleys in Liverpool late at night…to miss seeing Jackie Lomax at Apple because you were busy watching the Rolling Stones on TV…seeing the Beatles leave EMI after the last recording session…watching the nude scene in “Hair” when you’re entirely too close to the stage…hearing guitars coming from Savile Row but not being able to find where they’re coming from…getting on the plane to go back home.



Here is the exert from my diary about the day we went to George’s:  Monday August 4, 1969
Got up about 9:00 and ate breakfast.  Mrs. Damon (the lady we were staying with in Surrey) took us to Kingston so Pat could rent another movie camera.  From Kingston we took a bus to Esher, bought postcards and flowers and then went straight to George’s house.  Since Pat and I had been there last year, we found it without any trouble whatsoever.  Then we got there, Terry Doran was out washing George’s Mercedes in the garage and politely tried to pretend we weren’t really there.  Went to the door and Lynn rang the bell.  Margaret (the housekeeper) answered.  I asked her of George was in and she said he was but he was busy getting ready to go to work.  I told her I’d sent him a registered letter and that I was his fan club president from the States so she said to wait a minute.   She came back and said he’d see us for a few minutes and asked us to wait.  A couple minutes later, George came out.  I introduced Pat and Lynn to him (I had forgotten to introduce anybody last year).  He was wearing fared blue jeans, a sort of blue pinstriped shirt, a black jacket and black shoes.  His eyes are just as piercing as they ever were!  I asked him if he’d gotten my letter and he said he thought he did.  We knew he was in a rush to get to work, so I started to give him all the gifts and letters from various people.  I was about to hand him a note (without any envelope) from Pegi and he asked me if I had to give him small bits of paper because they get lost too easily.  So I merely explained that Pegi wanted to write a book about him and Pattie, just as people, and she just wanted to have his permission first.  He said she couldn’t write a book about him because she didn’t know that much about him.  He said he couldn’t even write a book about himself let alone someone else trying to do it.  He took the gifts in the house.  Lynn handed him the flowers we got, and he took them and asked her if they were for Hare Krishna.  Then I said we saw them recording the Hare Krishna song the other day and he said they were just listening to the playback.  He then commented that we were having good weather for our trip this year.  I said that anything was better than last year’s cold wave.  He then asked how we got the money to come to England every year.  I said we saved all winter!  All during this time we were taking pictures.  I asked him if he’d mind singing a few things and he said he didn’t.  I gave him a birthday card for club members that I had half-designed, and asked him to write the message on it, which he did.  Pat gave him some postcards of Esher to sign and he took one look at them and said, “Esher???” and cracked up.  He signed some pictures and scraps of paper for me and five Beatles Monthlies for Lynn.  Pat took some movies of him which I’m dying to see.  I only took about 5 pictures of him, but Lynn took 19 which is great since she’s our club photographer!  George was really rushed for time (he was eating breakfast when we got there).  We only stayed for about 15 minutes.  When we took the last pictures of him, he said, “Not don’t’ come back next year and get me to sign the ones you just took!”  We thanked him for his time, said our goodbyes, gathered up our junk and left.  We walked up Claremont Drive taking our good old time and taking pictures.  We were almost at the end of the road when Terry and George drove up the road real fast (rushing as usual) to the studio.  We ate lunch in the Wimpy Bar and then went shopping before going back to Thames Ditton.

Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Strange coloring George photos


I found these on tumblr and I had to share them, because they are so strange to me.  These are some of the 1968 Pat Kinzer George Kinfauns photos.    However, they are strangely colorized to make it appear that George has bright white teeth and wears a purple shirt.   These photos are already in color to begin with, so I do not know why anyone would want them to be colorized.   George is actually wearing a peach colored shirt.    Did someone do this recently on photoshop?   Was this done in the 1960's?   Why???

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

The first day the Pats met George



Here is a story from the first issue of "McCartney Lovers and Friends" fanzine (getting my money's worth out of this one!).  It is a story we all know and love about when George Harrison fan club president, Pat Kinzer met George in 1969.  However there is a twist this time.   Instead of hearing Pat's side of the story (which you can read in her wonderful book), this is her friend, Pat Simmon's memory of the day.    And....it isn't the story of the day where they met George at his door and took all of the photos and had him sign all sorts of things.   Instead it is about when they first met him.   Nice little story.....

The year was 1968, Jul and August to be exact.  About six months prior to this, Pat Kinzer had mumbled on about “wouldn’t it be great to go to England” and I’d mumbled back a dreamy “yeah, sure would.”  So we decided to make the dream become reality, threw our money in the bank, rounded up a few other friends and pen pals, namely Joy Kilbane of Cleveland, Nancy Scharfe of Chicago, and Sandy Meckes of Pennsylvania/Dutch land.   I’m sure those of you who’ve been to England can remember back to when you went for the very first time, and how you got off the plane, looked around, and through that this couldn’t be happening to YOU, because it only happens to those who wrote for “Datebook” or other such gear-fab magazines.  Even when you’re in the bus on the way to the Pan Am terminal somewhere in the sticks outside of London, you keep looking out the window at the cars on the freeway caught in early-morning rush hour, and you keep thinking, “aren’t dreams weird, this HAS to be Cleveland, but everybody keeps driving on the wrong side of the road!”  I remember when we finally got to our hotel, which was around Paddington, a none-too-swift area of London; we had to sit in the lobby for about ten years before our room was ready, and our luggage the five of us took up practically the entire lobby. 
Finally, suffering through the time change, we stumbled our way to the underground and tried to get familiar with how to figure out the different lines, and we succeeded in winding up back at Paddington three times in a row.  Well, what can you except from you first day in London with no sleep and the hour being about 7:30 am?  After getting chased all over the place by the St. John’s Wood police, who seem to get some kind of evil glee out of threatening poor gullible Americans that they’d throw them in jail if they didn’t evacuate the vicinity of Cavendish Avenue, believing them and running off to Piccadilly where you also believed a guy in a record store who said an album cost around five pounds, forgetting that five pounds is not the same as five dollars, going down Carnaby Street in total fascination, visiting the Beatles Monthly offices, and doing hours of souvenir hunting, we returned to our hotel rooms, our feet burning so much we had to crawl around on hands and knees.  But to skep all the rest of the intelligent little happenings that went on the first few days of your fist big vacation without mommy and daddy, we’ll go on to That Day I Never Thought Would Happen, when we first talked to George.


By this time, in early August, we were staying in a hotel in Esher.  Pat, Sandy and I decided to roam around Esher for reasons obvious while Joy and Nancy checked out Weybridge, also for reasons obvious.  We found George’s private drive by asking a girl on a bicycle if she knew where you-know lived, and she very tolerantly led us to the gates beyond which there was a golf course, and somewhere beyond that the long driveway that led up to George’s gates.  I think I was in a state of shock that whole walk up the private road, which was so narrow, it was more like a bicycle path, and all gravel.  You keep thinking, he lives around here somewhere, but no, you’ll never see him, never talk to him, because that just happens to other people, not you.


The walk seemed to take forever.  Just when we thought we’d never find the place, we came across the end of the driveway, looked down in it, and sure enough, there was the famous high wall that surrounded his grounds.  And you thought, naw, this isn’t for real, you’re still dreaming.  Then we were standing in front of his house, the three of us trying to get up the guts to ring the doorbell.  I think it was Sandy who finally did, after considerable shaking.  The feeling I got when that door began to slowly open, but no, it was Margaret, who from gear-fab mags, we all knew, was George’s housekeeper.  Pat, who as most everyone knows, I think, had George’s club for many, many years, and also regularly wrote to 95% of George’s relatives.  George knew of her club because his mother always mentioned it and always got him to sign stuff for contest prizes and so forth.  Anyway, she had sent a registered letter of warning to him a few days before we left for England, saying she was coming over with four people on such and such a date, and would it be all right if we came by for talk on such and such a date, giving the poor man enough notice to evacuate the country.  Margaret said she remembered signing for the letter and that George was aware that we were coming but as it was, he wasn’t home – he was in London.  She said if we came back a little while later that day, he’d probably be back and we could talk to him then.  We talked to her for quite a while, she was so nice, and then in a trance, walked back to beautiful uptown Esher.  Was it really going to happen after all?  Were we really going to get to see him?  After all these years of wishing, hoping, dreaming, planning, was it really going to happen?

Somehow the time managed to go by that day.  How, I couldn’t tell you.  Later on in the afternoon, Pat, Sandy and I stumbled back up Claremont road again.  There was a huge cloud of dust way down the road, and I was beginning to think that perhaps we were in Esher after all, or even in Cleveland, maybe it was Africa!  But it wasn’t a mirage, and as the cause for all the flying gravel came closer, we saw it was a dark green Mini.  Sandy said, “That’s George in that car!”  Pat looked skeptical.  I said, “Naw, couldn’t be!”  The car came closer, and the gravel flew faster.  Pat went white, and said, “It IS George!”  I said, “Naw, couldn’t be.”  The car flew past us, screeched on the brakes, backed up, and the door flew open, and oh God, it WAS George.  The feeling…how can you describe it?  Long before you actually meet him, you keep reading in magazines and things how silly some girls acted, and you KNEW that if it ever happened to you, that YOU would never act that way.  So, our initial, simultaneous reaction, “Duh…it’s him!”  He looked so crammed in that little Mini that he couldn’t sit up straight.  When we later told Joy and Nancy what had happened that day, we tried to tell them what he was wearing and could only remember bright orange trousers and none of us could remember what color of shirt he had on.  He looked at each one of us and said, “One of you….”  Then he pointed to Pat, at which point she completely lost whatever color she had left, which by this time wasn’t much.  He said, “You’re Pat, aren’t you?”  Apparently Margaret had told him we’d been by before and told him what Pat looked like.  He shook her hand, and meanwhile Sandy brilliantly exclaimed, ‘You remember me George, I’m the one who dropped my rheumatism pills all over Paul’s driveway the other day!”  (Note:  Sandy unfortunately had rheumatoid arthritis and had to take pills for it, and when she, Nancy and Joy were waiting by Paul’s a few days before this, George had come out of his house and gotten into a taxi, which was right when Sandy’s pills fell out of her purse and scattered all over the driveway, while George looked on sympathetically and maybe a bit bewildered.)  George looked at Sandy as though to say, “Yeah ok kid, whatever you say…”  He said he’d talk to us, but he was “in bit of a roosh” right now, as he was on his way back to London, but then asked us if we planned to stay in Esher for a few days.  We told him we did, and he said we could come back the next day around 1:00 if we’d like.  While we nodded like robots being fed computerized instructions on what to do next, he zoomed (literally) off again.

If we thought passing just a few hours was hard before, passing a whole 24 hour day had to be next to impossible.  We even resorted to trying a séance, Pennsylvania/Dutch style with Sandy saying, “Make out the lights!” and “whoever is within our presence, make the shoe glow!”  and similar things.  Funniest séance I’d ever been in, but we had to do something to pass the time….

Monday, March 5, 2012

George Harrison Fan club Charter





Here are two photos of George looking and signing the official charter of the George Harrison Fan club ran but Pat Kinzer along with a copy of the charter George signed that day in 1968. Pat knew how to run a fan club, didn't she? She didn't just run a little fan club out of her clubhouse or something, but she went to George house and asked him to sign the charter herself. Just a reminder that you can read about this in the book, 'Do you want to know a secret?'

Here is a little bit of what occurred when George signed the charter for her



When he finished signing for everyone else, I gave him my things. First I gave him a postcard of Esher to sign for Betty Ann. “You want me to sign this???” he laughed. I then gave him 5 copies of my revised fan club charter. He read it first, and then asked me if the club had anything to do with the official Beatles fan club (Beatles USA Ltd.) in New York. When I said no, that it was an independent club and I did it all by myself, he said if I joined up with Beatles USA Ltd., I wouldn’t have to do it all myself. “But George, I WANT to do it myself because I enjoy it so much”! He smiled and said “OK, it’s up to you. I’ll sign these then; just wanted to be sure you don’t take me to court!” “What would I want to take you to court?” I asked. Then he asked me why he was supposed to sign 5 copies of it, so I explained who each one was for. When he was finished, I gave one of the charters to him.


I also gave him a stack of letters, a tape recording, and a couple of gifts from fan club members. He put them in the house, along with his copy of the fan club charter, and then I handed him two autograph books to sign. He asked who they were for, and when I told him they were contest prizes he said he’d just sign his name in them. Next I gave him about a dozen of photos to sign (also for contest prizes), and he kept laughing at the photos as he signed them.


After we wore out his hand, we just talked and talked. He asked us where we were all from, and when I started to say “Colleg...”, he finished it for me “Collegeville”, right? He knew the name of the hotel where we were staying, and asked us how we liked it. He remembered everything I told him in that registered letter I sent, and even things I didn’t mention in the letter. (I had a strong suspicion his mother told him a lot about me).

Tuesday, November 22, 2011

End of the fan club




All good things must come to an end, and sadly in 1972, the Beatles fan club ceased existence. The story that was known for some times was that the official Beatles fan club ended because George Harrison was upset with the George Harrison Fan Club in the United States (run by Pat Kinzer, whom we have seen many of her wonderful George photos on this blog). There are two stories about this fan club and how it lead to the end of all Beatles fan clubs in the world.

Theory 1
There was a rumor that Pat and her officers were giving tours (and charging fans money) of George's mother, Louise Harrison's, grave. Since his mother's death from brain cancer in July 1970, George had been very private about the location of her grave. Supposedly when he heard that fans were touring the site, he was very angry and put an end to all fan clubs. I am not even sure if that story is true at all. But I do know that Pat and the George fan club started the Louise F. Harrison Memorial Cancer Fund and raised money through the club members in Louise's name for the hospital where she was treated. I also believe that Pat herself was given the location of the grave from George's father, Harold, because having met Louise many times, she wanted to privately pay her respects. At no time were tours ever given (at least not by the George club from the States) of George's mother grave.

Theory 2
This is the theory that Pat herself believed for a very long time and lived with the guilty of what she thought was the person who single-handedly ended the Beatles fan club after 11 years of existence.
In the December 1971 issue of the fab club's newsletter, Pat had reproduced an interview with Pattie where she states something along the lines of how she and George wanted to adopt a child. Pat mails the newsletter to Friar Park, where George's sister, Louise is living. Louise had always received issues of the newsletter. George sees this newsletter and the information about adopting a child upsets him so much that he calls the whole newsletter, "crap" and goes to Allen Klein and complains. From there George gets Ringo on board and they demand that all Beatles fan clubs everywhere close down for good.
As you can read in the newsletter Pat puts out when she learns about this, that she is angry, sad and confused about all of this. Honestly, it really is a shame that George didn't contact Pat himself to get the entire story. Why wasn't he mad at the magazine that published the original interview with Pattie? Or even with Pattie herself for giving out such private information is beyond me.

The Truth:
The truth as far as I understand it, and hopefully Freda Kelly's new documentary will explain more about this is as follows. The Beatles had been broken up for a year and a half when George sees Pat's club's newsletter. George had been trying to put out his own songs and get away from the whole Beatles thing. And while the fan club was going under the name "Apple Tree" by 1971, it still was very Beatles-centered. Paul had sued the other three Beatles and I think for George "Beatles" were not something he really wanted to be associated with. George was under the impression that there was no longer a Beatles fan club. And then he sees this fan club newsletter, that has out this information about him and Pattie wanting to adopt and he is pushed over the edge. He thought there were no fan clubs anymore! So he marches int0 Apple and demands that the clubs end. Really, the clubs were in the process of ending anyhow. So maybe Pat's newsletter or the rumor about the tours just pushed things along a little quicker, but they were going to end in 1972 regardless. So Pat is not to blame at all. She did nothing wrong. She supported George and his charities, and really all she did was report the news as she found it. It is just so sad that George couldn't have discussed this with her. It isn't like he had no idea who she was.

Anyhow....to read more about Pat and her club and all of this stuff with the club ending, you have to read her book, Do You Wanna Know a Secret.

I think posting these things is very sad, but still important to the story of the Beatles and their fans. Remember to make photos larger to click on them, then right click on "view image."

Thursday, October 13, 2011

Beatles pilgrimage 1970's style


Pat Kinzer sitting at a desk at Apple

A fan visiting Paul's childhood home in Liverpool in the 1970's
Photo taken by Clive Sawyer in 1978
The door at 3 Savile Row in 1978
This photo is for sale at www.clivephotographer.com

Some photos Beatles fan took of Beatles sites in the 1970's way before any official Beatles tours were offered.

Monday, June 27, 2011

BBM 59


In this (sadly very small) Pat Kinzer photo, you see the George is signing Beatle Book Monthly issue number 59 (June 1968). This issue features a color photo of George from the "Lady Madonna" photo shoot in the centerfold and by the way George is holding the magazine, one can assume that he is signing this photo for Pat and her fan club.

The Beatles Book Monthly seems to have been a very popular item for fans to get signed. You often see photos of a Beatle signing one, and they are frequently up for sale these days on various sites that sell Beatles autographs. Obviously if you were a Beatles fan in the 1960's, then you read Beatles Book Monthly. It was the only Beatles magazine that was sanctioned by the Beatles and was promoted by the fan club. And while it might give a sugar-coated view of the Fab 4 (they didn't want anything negative in their own magazine), you were sure to get the latest Beatles news and exclusive photographs in it. And in a day and age before the Internet, I can only imagine how important the magazine was to fans.

Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Meeting George at Kinfauns



Whenever I find new or better quality Pat Kinzer photos I celebrate! Once again I have to say that her book, Do you want to know a secret is well worth reading, especially if you enjoy reading stories of fans who met the Beatles!