Tuesday, April 23, 2024

Listen to What the Man Said




 Listen to What the Man Said

Written by Timothy Swallow

Gold Magazine

1978


Paul McCartney's song "The Mull of Kintyre," recorded and released in December of 1977, is the biggest-selling record of all time in Great Britain. Notching up an unheard-of sale of over twenty thousand copies a day, the record went on to sell in excess of two million copies in a mere five weeks. It became the world's fastest-selling single. It outstripped the previous sales record held by the Beatles by more than four hundred thousand copies. McCartney, who wrote, sang, produced, and published "Mull," earned himself 400,000 pounds in those astonishing five weeks. 

I  met Paul McCartney in Scotland, in Aberdeen, on a drizzling Easter Sunday afternoon. We sat - he jovially sprawled, I tensely ill at east, in an otherwise empty hotel restaurant.  Mccartney wears faded denim jeans, a jokey campus sweatshirt, and a humorous half smile on his face. Although his air of boyishness remains, his face has changed since it so engagingly graced the cover of "Meet the Beatles" back in '62. The looks are beginning to slide. The high rounded cheekbones now slope downwards, when once they stretched tautly up. The delicate kiss-me-slowly lips have no set into a firm business-like line, although they still curl good-naturedly at the corners. The eyes, those celebrated lash-fringed orbs, have something more than their original bovine limpidity. Now set into a grid of laughter lines, they reflect a rich depth of experience, alert and amused and never once cynical under the fly-away wings of those famous arched eyebrows. So this is Paul McCartney...

He is anxious to talk about the phenomenal success of "Mull" and to tell me about the recording session he was recently involved in for "London Town." I asked him, over a cooling pot of Typhoo, how the recording of "Mull" - now a new Scottish anthem- came about. 

"The idea just happened while I was on my farm in Scotland. Though most Scottish songs you hear nowadays are old tunes that people redo or comedy songs like 'Up Your Kilt." I wanted to do a sort of traditional Scottish ballad. I wanted to do a Scottish song for a long time. A song you could sing when you and the family get together. It's hard to do nowadays because people don't go "Hoots mon" in the heather anymore. But I actually live up there in the Mull of Kintyre, and I like bagpipes. It's a song I'd like to hear the football crowd at Hampden Park sing. That'll cause a roar! I didn't see it as a single myself, but one of the lads in the band said it would be great, and the people in the business kept telling me to think of the exiled Scots audience. But I never realised how many Scots there were! I didn't think there'd be enough to go around."

"Although people say all I'm after is commercial success, I never really think of how a record is going to do when I'm writing it or recording it. Wings have had a couple of number twos, but it's great to have a number one. You always wonder what a record is going to do when it's released, and if it's a flop, you wonder if it was worth it."

McCartney's solo career since the dissolution of the Fab Four has not always been gilded with the sort of success that "Mull" finally brought him. 

"The way we were treated by the rock press over "Wild Life" really hurt me. I only try to please people, and I was upset by the way they savaged us as if they were getting their own back at me for all the success I had with The Beatles in the past. The critics expected something all intellectual and stuff. They really came down on me for that one. Let's face it: critics never liked the big stuff in history. They never liked Van Gogh's pictures and has he got a name? I don't go for analysis myself. A lot of singers do. A lot of them go right into it.  I prefer to sweat it out."

McCartney turned the corner with the second Wings album, "Red Rose Speedway." Even his most hardened critics could not deny the sheer sense of fun with which the album sparkled. "My Love," the single taken from the album, gave Wings their first major hit, and the song itself went on to become a cabaret standard. By this time, the division was obvious: the more the public began to tune into McCartney's sentimental appeal, the less favourable the reviews became. 

Critical approval did come, however, from a rather unexpected source; McCartney and his band found themselves in Hollywood for the 1974 Oscars ceremonies for which they had received a nomination for their musical score to the James Bond flick "Live and Let Die." But even there, the nomination was not followed by the award itself, and McCartney returned to Scotland disappointed. 

An early tea arrives in the shape of a mountain of Shepherds Pie and a forest of chips. McCartney nips his cigarette and tucks into his tea with relish. I judge the time right to ask him why he has not elected to move to a tax-haven retreat.

"I can't stand the idea of living where it's convenient for money. We like Britain, and it's a great place for bringing up the kids." (He has two younger daughters, Mary and Stella, and a six-month-old son, James Louis.)

"The thing about having a bit of money is that you can live wherever you want to live. I've seen 'em all in LA and places, all these tax-exiled rock stars, loads of money in the bank, but they're all as miserable as fuck. Having a life with my family is important. I had a happy home life in 'Pool when I was a kid, and I guess that's what I'd gone after. Finding it is pure luck, and I've been lucky. I've got warmth and contentment..."

As I look up from my notepad, I am hit for the first time by the charisma of this man. Preoccupied by the strain of traveling and coordinating this interview, I had not at once perceived the aura that surrounds him. His easy confidence, his good humour and readiness to talk seems at first at odds with his status. A status, incidentally, that can in no way be underestimated. But then I realized his good nature is not incidental to his fame, wealth, and success; it is their root. McCartney is not a spoiled egoist living in a penthouse ten miles high. He is a musician who lives with his family on a farm. Paul McCartney, that adored and adorably mop-top, is now a contented man. Sales figures aside, this contentment itself is no mean achievement. 

"I don't want to be some great superstar because you start to believe your own legends. So I'll just be myself and not be like Howard Hughes." He opens his wide eyes even wider. "You can get trapped in that tinsel and glitter and stuff, like Rod Stewart. I'm sure he doesn't really want to be like that. The first thing you want to do when you see someone on a pedestal like that is knock 'em off, isn't it?" I ask him what he thinks of his more errant former colleges.

"The others and I get on reasonably well.  You don't hear about their records so much, but they're still making them."

And, finally, what doe the future hold for a man who can earn 400,000 in five weeks?

"I have an ambition to play small places with the band. I want to get the atmosphere of the free man on the street. Places like "Joe's Cafe." I'll ask the audience for requests."

"The main thing is the music. It's not the bread, it's not the fame, it's not even the reviews. It's down to whether you like the music or not. And what I'm doing now." McCartney declares emphatically, "I like."





18 comments:

  1. Interesting that the journalist specifically says the interview was done in Aberdeen on Easter Sunday presumably in 1978. Easter Sunday in 1978 was on March 26 and all of Wings had returned from Scotland on March 20 and during that week they filmed the promo videos for "With a Little Luck" and "London Town" at Twickenham Studios and worked on "Wings Over The World" and more to the point on March 26 Paul & Linda attended a Professor Longhair concert in London so the chances of him doing an interview in Aberdeen that day is fairly remote but why would the journo specifically say that? Very strange indeed.

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    1. Thank you Hitachi for doing more research on this. I looked into it a bit and couldn't see when the McCartneys were in Scotland during Easter in 1978. I found the interview to be interesting, but the timeline doesn't add up. I am glad you noticed that as well.

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  2. "The others and I get on reasonably well. You don't hear about their records so much, but they're still making them." -- lol, read into that as you would.

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    1. laughed when I read that too

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    2. Yes, a bit ego indeed. At the time of this interview, George's most recent album was 33 1/3, which was clearly superior to (or at least as good) as Paul's most recent ones, Speed of Sound and London Town. That was the 70's for ya. Those guys couldnt help themselves sometimes with the cheap shots aimed at each other.

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    3. Laugh all you want. Highly subjective @6.59am. George's albums weren't exactly hitting the headlines. You didn't need to compare his albums with John's obviously as John wasn't even making any music 1975-1980. Ego? Lol. Paul never trashed the others or their music publicly the way the others did to him. Their 'cheap shots' were disgraceful.

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    4. quite right 4/27 at 6:59 am

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    5. loved 33 1/3!

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    6. Ahh 6:03AM, nice to see you rush in again and protect Paul. It's been awhile, yes. And LOL, yes I'm subjective, you're subjective, we're all subjective.

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    7. Well 5.42am how offended are you, tich. It seems defending Paul is the number one crime committed by Beatles fans these days. They all had massive egos so move on. By the way, how is it 'again' and 'awhile' since 'I've' commented considering comments are anonymous. Are you a hacker?

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    8. All 4 Beatles have character flaws, big ones and little ones. Just like anyone. But this: Paul didnt "attack" the others in public -- ?? -- what a prodigious load of inane bull-malarkey. Ask Clapton, these 4 guys were thick skinned Liverpudlians who didnt mind being vicious with each other, be it in public or private. They sure seem alot thicker-skinned than some of their followers. Oh, and George's albums werent exactly hitting the headlines in that period? Boy oh boy we learn new stuff all of the time here.

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  3. It's weird how journalists were obsessed with Paul's physical appearance which never applied to the other three. Like he was expected to look 25 for the rest of his life. He still looked pretty good to me at 37.

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    1. it is strange but reckon he was always the cute one they labeled him forever

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    2. Only in America was Paul labelled The Cute One - and promoted by Jann Wenner - and Paul hated it.

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    3. I don't think Paul was lable the "Cute one" only in America. Just ask millions of girls around the world. Lots of lots of them would point to Paul as the "cute one." I however find John to be the "cute one."

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    4. The world has become even more Americanized since the 1960s and many American words, terms and phrases in general are used everywhere. Maybe the cute label is used retrospectively but back in the day I never saw it used in UK teen magazines or media. Imagine being stuck with a label you hate lol.

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  4. True. Paul looked pretty good even in his forties and fifties. He started to show his age, after Linda's death.

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