Tuesday, September 8, 2020

Yin and Yang


 

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  1. still team Cynthia

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    1. Cynthia gave John a beautiful son & was a great support to John before the fame and during those Beatlemania years

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  2. Get over it... Cynthia and John had their time together, John loved Yoko and she was an inspiration to him, listen to "Oh Yoko", feel the love and companionship they had; love is real, real is love, good enough for me; love in and peace out!

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  3. "Get over it" -- get over what, exactly?

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    1. I agree with you 9/12. People forget that Cynthia was also an aspiring artist at the Liverpool College of Art and gave it all up to raise Julian when she married John. While he was away bedding everything on two legs she was dealing with a crying baby, sleepless nights, hormonal changes, teething, toilet training, and everything else a young mother goes through. Poor woman was probably exhausted. Shame on Paul too in implying Cyn was too 'dull' for John.

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    2. Quoted for truth.

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    3. absolutely 5:26

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  4. Without being too facetious, let’s face it. For the most part, the only Yoko fans are Yoko, Sean, and Elliot Mintz.
    Macca’s fairly diplomatic. I don’t think he intended to put Cyn down. As fame became increasingly demanding, John craved something both different and also motherly. Ono was the former, but he falsely believed she was also the latter - even after he probably knew better. It’s too bad he never had the chance to reconcile with Julian and really sort his life out. It would have been tough while married to Ono. Even if you want to believe she had nothing to do with the Beatles split, she most definitely kept them apart.

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    1. Without being too facetious, that's a load of crap. John was a grown man, and none of us will ever know what really went on in his head concerning Cyn and Yoko. It's a matter of record however that John was unfaithful long before Yoko appeared on the scene, so blaming her for the end of John's marriage (and keeping the Beatles apart) is nonsense. I suspect that if Yoko had been a man, nobody would have batted an eye. How many people hate Eric Clapton for breaking up George and Pattie? Is Yoko perfect? No. Was John? No. Is Paul? No. Am I? No. You? Probably not. John famously said that if you think Yoko leads him around, you don't know John Lennon. And I suspect that's pretty much true. So enough with the Yoko hate. It gets old.

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    2. well said 9/14 at 11:24

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    3. LOL, Eliot Mintz, thanks for weighing in. Man, the Beatles fan types who wet the bed over criticism of JPG&R, or IN THIS CASE their wives/associates, are the worst type of fan. So if you cant take the criticism, either switch to decaf, or go back to the dead BeatlePhotoBlog page that you miss so badly, and have fun staring at old pics over there. And 9/14 at 1124am, well done, and keep posting, especially if it gets up some people's nose.

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    4. Meanwhile I am going to post photos of ALL the Beatles' wives. I had no clue that posting a photo of Yoko from 1974 would cause such a reaction! RIP Beatles photo blog. I still love Miss Tammy and everything done there.

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    5. Thanks for the support all. Fortunately, there's loads of us that know it already and know the Ballad of John & Yoko is pure garbage. Load of crap, mcarp? According to Jack Douglas, there were two separate occasions when John & Paul were supposed to meet during the Double Fantasy sessions to collaborate, but Ono put an end to it. It should sound familiar. She reconciled with John right when he was supposed to go see Paul record Venus & Mars and got pregnant to seal the deal. She was telling the Japanese press (on her disastrous tour of her own country, no yet) that she was through with John, but when it finally dawned on her that she was nowhere without him, she used some "smoking cure" to lure him back. What truly gets old is listening to people who buy the myth try to defend their own ignorance. Take your hero off the pedestal he never wanted to be placed upon and it gets a lot easier. People like you assume because he went back to Yoko it was because he loved her or he wanted her. Nonsense. With Ono, he incorrectly saw *security.* That's why he went back. She wasn't what he wanted, she is what he felt most secure with, and she damned well knew it. Especially after going through primal therapy with him. Coming from what he came from, it makes sense, doesn't it? John said a lot of things. He was a loose cannon. But if you're after the truth, what he said in public was calculated in keeping with the myth. Until he was willing to face his fears and himself in the process, he had to abide by the ground rules. Harold Seider more or less said the exact same thing. Don't you find it strange that when when they separated, they could each take their own lovers but Ono kept what she really craved? The privilege of being his wife! That's what really matters to her. Unless of course you have to buy that they were sooo desperately in love with each other that they were sleeping with other people. That's typical, right? Does that really work for you mcarp? I could go on, but I'm hoping my point is made for you. As for most everybody else, they know better.
      Thanks Sara, and my apologies in advance. This is my last entry on this subject but I appreciate the opportunity to be heard as it's clear a lot of us feel the same way.

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    6. I think this photograph is from that 1974 tour in Japan. I am not sure if I agree with everything you have to say, anon, but I agree with your right to say it. Yoko is not my favorite person. I feel badly for her because she lost her child and was present at the time of her husband's murder. I appreciate most of the things she has allowed to be released of John's music after his death. From everything I have read, it just didn't looks like John and Yoko had a healthy relationship. But I obviously wasn't there and will never know for sure.

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    7. Sara, you worded this perfectly, thank you. I'm sure both Linda and Yoko (especially) had a terrible time being the center of animosity in the late 60's/70's with Beatles fans, and some of that animosity was unfair. But all that said, Yoko is not my favorite person either. There were way too many folks in the Beatles inner circle who did not care for her at all. There was no conspiracy of "hate" against her. I felt sorry for John when he naively claimed that most people who did not like Yoko were racist or sexist. Love is blind.

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    8. 9/18 10:08- thanks for putting into words the way I exactly feel too

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    9. Sigh. It seems like someone has a lot of anger, and likes to dump it on me, which is silly. At least I don't hide behind an anonymous name. I'm easy enough to find online if you want to back up your whining.

      As for J&Y, as I've said, nobody is perfect, and nobody should be on pedestals. But if you prefer the word of third-parties who are trying to sell books over the actual subjects of these books, then enjoy. I don't really care what your opinion is. All four Beatles could be right bastards, and Yoko as well. So what? Who among us can cast the first stone? Take your bile about me and Yoko somewhere else. As I said, it gets old.

      Sara - I apologize for you having to referee this nonsense. I'm not interested in pursuing a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

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    10. I have actually been reading through the fan newsletters of 1968-1970 and what is being said here is very tame in comparison. Someone called Yoko "Miss Hiroshima 1945." Wow!!! And the anti-semetic nonsense towards Linda is insane! Although I was going to post a photo of Yoko yesterday and thought I better not.

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    11. I'm not responding in anger. I'm answering your initial comment w/facts. You don't know me but you assume a lot. I don't get ruffled by this sort of thing. It's through discussion with similarly interested parties that you learn new things. Especially if you don’t go into it with an air of hostility and a resentment of fact(s). I'm not dumping on you. How is anything I said "bile?" Are you sure I'm the one whining? We can agree that yes, ragging on anything gets old. But so too does listening to the same old BS that's propagated through Studio One. It's been 40 years since John died & we know better. She can't run from facts any more than you or I can. If you want to disprove anything I've said, go for it. I'm not afraid of what you might have to say. I do hope you can do better than your last attempt. Just keep it civil as it absolutely isn't personal. I find it amusing that you find educated commentary full of anger/bile but all you offered to counter was an ad hominem quote attributed to Winston Churchill, among others. Is there a correlation between the force of one’s argument & user name? You seem to think so. I’m not hiding, I’m right here, buddy.
      Jack Douglas, nor Paul McCartney nor Harold Seider had a book to sell. Though you might want to give Tony Bramwell’s a read, then Pete Doggett’s (et al). Regarding Macca, in his 84 interview w/Playboy he admits John stopped being himself when he hooked up with Ono. No one, repeat: no one has anything good to say about her. Why? It’s not sexism nor racism. She was and continues to be a thoroughly unlikable individual. I will admit she recharged John’s creative batteries for a while. But what was the long term effect? With her, his art later took a massive dive. She wanted in on his act. She always did. And it took its toll by 73. And she didn’t give up. DF was supposed to be a JL record. Jack Douglas said so, and keep in mind he was a Yoko supporter. Why do you think she cut him off? By his own rationale, it was because he knew too much. He saw what was going on. He could have blown the whole charade out of the water. But he didn’t have an agenda and didn’t need the money. He just spoke about what he saw. He even socially reconciled with her eventually. Add a complete lack of charm, no ability to sing, and an utter lack of talent (to 99.99% of us) to her sense of privilege and unearned air of superiority and it ups the level of dislike a few notches, doesn’t it? So when *we* (I’m certainly not alone) get tired of hearing about how great their love was and how happy they were while Ono was doing heroin and sleeping with other men right up to the year John died, it’s pretty reasonable to offer up some facts to counter. Unless you choose to believe a blissfully in love individual takes up heroin again and sleeps around. Yes, first-hand accounts from the very people who have a lot to hide are certainly more reliable than from the people who were close to them, saw what went on, and tell more or less the same sad state of affairs between them independently of one another. Remind me again who has no wits.
      I'll add that she now has writing credit on Imagine even though she didn’t write it. She inspired it. There’s a (big) difference. Spare me, I already know John said she deserved writing credit. See my previous comment for his public statements vs. how he really felt/what really went on. What I can only imagine (pun intended) *we* find particularly distasteful about the whole thing is Ono got miffed when Paul reversed the order on a few songs he actually wrote that John had little no or input on. She was considering legal action. Through Mintz (ugh) she said “a deal’s a deal.” Apparently Ono’s rules don’t exist for Ono. But what else is new?
      Sorry, Sara. It’s not my intent to change the tone of your blog. *Some of us* really appreciate what you do here. Even though I said I was done, I felt a response was necessary. I’m not alone in how I feel about these matters nor in how I regard your site. Thanks.

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    12. no anger, no dumping just personal comments and I also agree with anon sept 18 at 10:08 pm

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    13. Lotta heat, little light. All that effort into passive-aggressive ranting. Feel better now? Good.

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    14. ***Hi Sara. I noticed my previous response to mcarp was never posted. Error on my part? Yours? Something I said? Didn't say? I'll try again as I think I deserve to be heard and others are weighing in. If this post doesn't make the cut I won't try again as I'll have to assume I've worn out my welcome. If I have, I'm very sorry. It was never my intent. I wanted to express what I know a lot of us fans feel but are reluctant to say. It isn't necessarily "nice" but the cold, hard, truth often isn't. And I try to be as dignified about it as possible. I honestly don't take any of it personally. Should you choose to post this brief reply, and I hope you do, you can feel free to edit out this part as I meant it for only you. Thanks.***

      This written from the guy who has managed to distinguish himself on this site for all the wrong reasons. Keep it up mcarp, and eventually you just might have your own fan club judging from the comments. I really had a good laugh from your "apology" to Sara. You're the charming individual who was whining (or maybe passive-aggressive ranting, or hating, to use your own terminology) about her reversing photos on her own blog, right? Do you have any facts at all to present or are you content to continuously make an idiot out of yourself on here?
      Nevermind. It's pretty obvious what you're all about. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who has noticed. And thanks again, all.

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  5. I don't think these comments were meant to hate on Yoko but to give an understanding of Cynthia's position during the first years of fame. It's already been pointed out that John was unfaithful to Cyn before he met Yoko. Million of words have been written about John and Yoko and Paul and Linda, but what about the women who were actually on that rollercoaster of fame in the sixties? Don't they matter? That they 'had their time' so who cares what influence they may have had on the greatest band during their biggest years. Really?? Both Yoko and Linda belong to the solo years in my opinion, the significant others of John and Paul, but their influence on the Beatles as a band was virtually nil.

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  6. this has been interesting reading for sure; sorry but personally thought John really lost himself and became Joyoko...64 fan

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    1. yeah as John loved rock I couldn't believe it when Chuck Berry and him performed on the Mike Douglas show so long ago with Yoko making her noise on stage along them

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  7. Most of us log on here every day to SIMPLY enjoy rare Beatles pics and read ADULT comments. This isn't a message board dedicated to anything controversial -- it's a "light" subject matter, where fans should be able to post without worrying about having their heads getting ripped off, or snarky replies. But over the past few months, just about every thread where the comments get fueled with flaming, snarkiness, or downright rude behavior, it's the result of the same poster -- MCarp555. Poor guy is so self-obsessed to think that someone would even waste their time to track him down on social media to "back up" their "whining". And MCarp, your complaining about that poster who is "so full of anger" after you just ripped off someone's head in your post is so laughable...that's like the blackest pot in the kitchen calling the kettle black. Look, let posters here have MATURE banter without your annoying snarkiness and flaming. You obviously dont play well with others, or maybe you relish it that way. Either way, just spare us your attitude(s).

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  8. laughing too at the eliot mintz mention: how true!

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  9. "that's like the blackest pot in the kitchen calling the kettle black."

    "your annoying snarkiness and flaming."

    The irony here is such that one can only laugh.

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    1. give it a rest mcarp

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    2. I'll make sure to keep replying (and laughing) just for you.

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  10. Well, Eliot Mintz wasnt a diva.

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