Thursday, July 30, 2015

Maggie and Paul


Not very often do we see a photo of Maggie and Paul together!   I wonder if the fan that took the photo even know who she was.   I am sure the "regular" fans recognized her, but the fans visiting most likely were clueless.   I only started hearing about Maggie about 10 years ago myself.

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  1. Wow! I've never seen this one before. Nice!

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  2. I don't remember Paul ever actually saying to us "this is my girlfriend Maggie" but they were obviously lovers for several years - she used to wear these tiny little outfits and had great legs. She was also nice to us. I think most people only heard about Jane and didn't know Paul wasn't a faithful partner....Gillian

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    1. remember them always smiling and holding hands looking quite happy

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    2. Did you hang around with them at the time?

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    3. Lovers - according to Barry Miles, Maggie herself was only one of many. Whether she knew that who knows, but I get the impression that perhaps she thought she was special. It all seems a little pathetic in retrospect.

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    4. Apparently you were never 20 years old. Ridiculous holding a 20 year old to lofty standards of reason & logic. Besides, nothing new about people remotely connected to the Beatles getting a case of swollen pride.

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    5. Anon 6.05am. What do you mean holding a 20-year-old to lofty standards? Maggie McGivern was in her fifties when she wrote her story for God's sake. Thirty years down the track and plenty of time to get over swollen pride. Who benefits exactly?

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    6. no doubt she made a nice piece of money with her story so many years later

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  3. no offence meant please -maggie mcgivern not mcgovern

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    1. Thank you for pointing that out, The tags on blogger is terrible and they autocorrect at times when I don't want them to. I believe that might be the case with her last name. I will fix it now.

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  4. Great photo. Very rare to see photo of them together.






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  5. Let's face it, none of them were what a role model for keeping it in their trousers lol What always amazed me that for 4 rich & famous guys, they surely didn't get into a lot of 'baby trouble' while on their notorious tours...Got to give credit to Jane Asher for never breaking her 'code of silence' about what really went on during their relationship...she could have gotten a whole lotta money from that book!

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  6. remember reading in the 60's that BE had paid off some Beatle baby mamas; Paul supposedly had a son with a Liverpool girl Anita Cochrane & had a daughter Bettina Hubers from Germany and John had a child from an encounter in the Alps. Could have been possible.

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    1. The German one at least was proven to be a lie, wasn't it?

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    2. The child with Anita is false.

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  7. what happened to her after their affair?

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  8. maggie eventually married & had a child

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    1. Mel Collins I think and had a daughter

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  9. Another one taken te same day:
    http://beatlephotoblog.com/photos/2010/05/420.jpg

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  10. she was gorgeous in person in 1968

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    1. Jane also was/is gorgeous and respected to this day

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  11. I had a coffee with her yesterday morning here in Brighton we've known each other for over 50yrs. Very nice lady, we have a lot of fun reminiscing. Great days weren't they. My best pal at the time was Scott Walker,

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    1. Michael; my condolences to you concerning your mate Scott, he was a very talented man

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  12. was happy to see this photo at cavendish with them together; she was pleasant to fans

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  13. So if they were lovers and she was so nice and they always looked happy why did he not marry her then? She seemed exactly what Paul wanted. Why did he cause Jane Asher such unhappiness with all this crap. It has dogged Jane's life ever since. Some of these fans must have known what was going on.

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    1. apparently she wasn't ready to marry & have kids yet and who knows what the hell was going on in Paul's mind towards Jane...and yes, fans did see & know about the years with Maggie

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    2. Who knows what has always gone on in Paul's mind towards Jane. He sure has displayed some insensitivity towards her over the years.

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    3. sadly he apparently had no respect toward Jane with other women sleeping in their bed

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    4. Yep, Paul had baby fever in '68. He was passing up all kinds of tasty opportunities in favor of settling down with Linda.

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    5. often wonder if he actually would have married her had she not gotten pregnant and had a very rich powerful daddy

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    6. 11/14...interesting point

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  14. She also had a boyfriend who she was cheating on when she was with Paul. And she knew that Paul was with Jane Asher. What a right pair. I don't find anything that nice about her to be honest even if she was pleasant to fans.

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    1. It was the mid-to-late 1960s. Apparently, it was very uncool to be jealous. It wasn't just happening in Beatle Land. Michelle Phillips cheated on Papa John, who was unfaithful himself.

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  15. There can't be anything more cruel than for someone to be the last person to know just how much the person they loved had cheated on them. Managers, roadies, friends, hangers-on kept their little secret until the time they could make a big buck or two. I have no problem with fans as such, but I find it a little disturbing that they could have been such unthinking onlookers in all of this. Seems they were prepared to warn Paul (if it's true) regarding Jane coming home earlier and catching him with Francie Schwartz, but not at any time put an anonymous note in her car - or her mother's - warning her months/years before it all blew up in her face. Perhaps they were more worried about getting offside with Paul rather than any real concern for another human being. I know they were young then, but now the excuse of that was how it was in those days seems pretty lame.

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    1. have to agree and the girl fans worry about getting offside w'Paul was very true then

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  16. still feel bad for Jane but kinda find it hard to believe that Jane and her family had no clue about Paul's affairs as it was pretty much public knowledge with him not being very discreet over the years; she must have really loved him and tried to take the high road

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    1. Public knowledge? Hardly. In Hunter Davies' biography it was acknowledged that there were indeed other girls, causing arguments, which is why Jane left him in 1965/66. He won her back, but unfortunately his behaviour had become habituated and normalised. Seems to be quite common that somehow it was up to Jane to take ownership of Paul's infidelities. Well, no, not really...

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    2. Paul's women were no secret in the UK - fans knew, papers & mags carried tidbits which suggested an open relationship

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  17. It was quite common knowledge in the uk press for a while, but if one partner doesn't want an open relationship then isn't that the reason why they leave? Maggie McGivern said herself it all had to be hush hush with Paul (conducted during the times when things weren't going too well with Jane it seems). Nevertheless, to become engaged to someone means exactly that; the very word itself means to commit. He admitted he was selfish.

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    1. Obviously, Paul wanted it to remain "hush hush" so that Jane would not find out. And when Jane found out she gave him his freedom to do whatever he wanted. He could sleep with as many groupies as he wanted. He could marry as many groupies as he wanted, etc.. Sir Paul got exactly what he wanted and deserved. A very long life without Jane. Bravo!

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  18. having similarly been cheated on myself (engaged too), it IS a very cruel & heartbreaking thing - your life has fallen apart as you knew it & takes a long time to trust someone again; Paul should have had the decency to have just broken up with Jane and shame on Maggie, Francie & whoever else

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  19. Karma is a bitch. According to Alastair Taylor (who consoled Paul after Jane left)when Jane finally caught cheating Paul with Frannie Schwartz she dumped him then and there. Today, we are finding out from tapes, interviews, etc just how abusive Paul is. I am sure there will be more to come! I am not a fan of Linda's but the way he treated her is appalling. When he pleaded with Jane to forgive him and take him back she straight up rejected him. The only rejection for Paul and "he didn't like it." Taylor said after Paul's begging and pleading to Jane to come back and she refused, he become "more cynical and harder." Derek Taylor also echos Alastair and states Paul had some sort of "breakdown" when Jane left. I think Jane dodged a bullet, so do not feel sorry for her! She got rid of him. Clearly, he's always been a dog but now he's a wolf.

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    1. Why shouldn't people feel sorry for Jane? Abusive? Paul's attitude towards her AFTER they broke up is pretty disturbing. The very public and pointed proclamations "I've never loved anyone before Linda" and "Linda was the first woman I dated, the rest were only girls" were cruel and sexist. The lyrics in I've got a Feeling are cruel. Anything positive Jane contributed to Paul's life and music wasn't down to her, he says, it was her family. The Ashers, not Jane. To him, she was just one of the many. It's obvious she loved him deeply. Nobody knows how she felt or what she went through after it ended. The Paul/Linda fandom love to imply she got over him in five minutes, along with accusations that she too was unfaithful, therefore she deserved everything she got. She's had to deal with this for over 50 years. Cynthia got a lot of similiar schtick from John. I don't know about abusive but both very damaged men in my opinion.

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    2. very interesting 3/7; sounds like Paul's comments were meant to hurt Jane; believe John and Paul had some serious egos and damaged men as you stated

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    3. I think Paul doth protest too much. Do you not find it interesting Paul's comments directly affect Jane personally? I mean, he's so obvious. After 20 yrs of so-called wedded bliss, why did Linda mention Jane in a very "negative" way to P. Cox? It's because he never resolved his feelings for her and Linda had to blame someone for her own misery. Jane had no clue Paul was being unfaithful to her because she believed in him. She was deeply in love with Paul McCartney not his money or fame like Linda. Their fights were always about her working which Paul was strongly against. He also made the comment that all his love songs are about Linda. Well, read his lyrics such as "Letting Go" Peter Carlin said the song "traced the thin line between love and obsession", with "passion in all its unhinged, dangerous glory." "Ah, she looks like snow
      I want to put her in a Broadway show
      Ah she'll dance and dine
      Like a lucifer she'll always shine"
      There's more. As for Jane, I am not sure if she is done with her past or if she is protecting it, as she refuses to speak about Paul, etc. Regardless of what he said in the past, today he makes it clear that Jane is off limits. He recently switched "something" as his fav Beatle's song to "Here, There, and Everywhere" which he famously wrote for Jane.

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    4. lisa2020- absolutely!

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  20. Abusive? Pretty harsh word isn't it? Low down snake in the grass, selfish dirty rotten cheat for sure, but abusive?

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    1. would say abusive in the emotional area toward Jane; he was a louse

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  21. All the descriptions of Paul so far could equally apply to the other three, couldn't they? Let's face it, they were all pretty horrible in their treatment of women, with George continuing his womanizing into his second marriage. I think Paul did change after Jane; it always seemed that he had something to prove to my mind (probably to her). I don't think his marriage was the wonderful fairy tale that his adoring fans made it out to be, but it was generally happy and stable. Abusive? People always have agendas, in particular towards Paul for some reason.

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  22. well Nancy would have his wings clipped (no pun intended) if he ever tried to mess around now

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  23. Anonymous 3/2. I think Paul changed because Jane left him and rejected him. Have you read his Wings or solo lyrics? Or seen his videos? His movie? All the leads are redheads. I find that disturbing. In the latest one in 2013 released song "Ever Present Past" he wanted all 16 dancers to wear red wigs. I mean, do you not find that a little odd? And, in "Queenie eye" there is a redhead sitting at the head of the piano. In his movie "Give My Regards to Broad St" the little girl in the cup, the main dancer, the secretary, the woman in the meet, Tracy Ullman, and the girl going to the boat are all...redheads. Even Emma Stone was in "Who cares" video. Paul tried to hurt Jane publicly because she hurt him. When he realized that Jane refused to respond (which clearly seems to bother him) and Taylor and Brown came out with the truth of their break up, he seems to have gone quiet. Just not in his videos and songs!

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  24. Paul lost his security blanket when Jane finally left after he cheated on her for so long; his ego was blown away and I say Bravo to Jane

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  25. Let's face it, single guys in their 20's who achieve that level of fame are going to have temptations thrown at them that we mortals cannot understand. Even Olivia has said this on camera. Am I excusing their cheating? No. I do believe Jane did the right thing by dumping Paul -- that was an unhealthy relationship. And poor Cyn. She was a WONDERFUL mother who had a baby to raise. IF she ever thought about leaving John over his cheating, she probably nixed the idea because she imagined how hard it would be for Julian. Raising kids in the 60s in that environment, Maureen and Cyn have my utmost respect for what they went thru.

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    1. I also think Jane did the right thing in walking away - and keeping away. Self-respect is everything. However, I don't believe all of their time together was unhealthy. Her romance with Paul started before his fame went global, she was interested in him and his music, not his celebrity. She seemed to ground him in preserving his humility in my opinion. He lost that, becoming more attention-seeking, insular and insecure, chewed up by the celebrity worship machine. They all did. That's what is really unhealthy.

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  26. it seems odd to me that a very public person like Paul would assume his womanizing would not be found out; he must have had a really low opinion of Jane to continue

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  27. She was 20 when she started going out with him, he was 23, and the most famous man on the planet. Give these two a break! I think it's kinda pathetic passing judgment on what he or she did over 50 years ago, when they were in their early-mid 20s.

    Maggie was not just a model; she was also a DJ at the Marquee Club! One of the hottest clubs in all of England! Which meant she was into music, and I'm guarantee that was a big attraction. (it was something he loved about Linda, for instance). I don't get the impression Jane was as bowled over about the nuances of rock and roll records as Paul was. As a musician, I can tell you it's always irresistible when you can bond with a woman over music. Aside from the fact that she was drop dead gorgeous, reportedly a nice person, and that they seem to have had a good rapport together, I'm sure being able to talk rock and roll with Maggie was a big plus. Not just talking about rock and roll, but getting excited about it.

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    1. young adults, sure but still cheaters

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  28. Are you serious? Your knowledge of Jane Asher appears to be nil. Her first love may have been classical music but she enjoyed popular music and rock and roll. She was asked to be on the popular UK music show Juke Box Jury long before she met Paul so she was hardly ignorant. She played piano and classical guitar and you can bet your bottom dollar Paul 'as a musician' probably played with her at home - away from the eyes of the other three of course. Out of all the Beatles' women past and present, Jane was the ONLY one who performed in front of live audiences. Performing artists understand that about each other. The one thing both Linda and Maggie lacked and Paul had to create that in Linda. I'm sure Maggie was everything you say she was but so what? It was mean of them to go behind Jane's back. She loved him. By the way, there is judgemental and there is judgemental. If nobody ever called out lousy behaviour we'd still be living in the dark ages. But we forget, Paul was a rock star so allowed different values to the rest of us. It's still accepted 50 years later. That's the hypocrisy.

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    1. 10/16 at 6:05 got it right

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    2. I find it ironic that Linda slept with Paul behind Jane's back and nearly 20 years later, Linda was speaking "quite negative" about Jane to her good friend Peter Cox, whom she never met. Linda was also recorded speaking about Paul, her miserable marriage, and wanting to leave him. Cox said Paul treated Linda like a "caged animal." Regardless of who you are (Linda, Francie or Maggie) not always is there a storybook ending. Jane, however, found herself a real man who was not insecure about her ambitions and dreams -he supported her. They compromised and they've been happily married for nearly 40 years.
      I leave you with this video in 1986. Pay close attention to the couch at 1:00 mark. Notice the elderly man, who turns to the couch. What do you see? I would say, someone is deeply regretful.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGxtRn10ows

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  29. don't see paul or maggie as being "nice" then

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  30. They loved each other,but throughout the relationship there were multiple infidelites on the part of Paul,and i find it hard to believe that Jane was not aware of these

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    1. She did know, which is why she left him at the end of 1965. Perhaps he promised to mend his ways in getting her back? Then more of the same until 1968 when she'd had enough. If she still loved him it wouldn't have been easy to leave, it never is. She probably didn't know about Maggie McGovern though, which is what most of these comments allude to.

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  31. Lol so much judgement. We don’t know what went on between Paul and Jane. Not how he felt about her later on, or how she felt. Or for that matter the very nature of their relationship or why they broke up! Get a life people.

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    1. Maybe you should direct your comment to Paul. After all, he was the one who wrote about Jane in his songs and talked about her in his biography. Perhaps you'd like the songs removed from his catalogue to prevent further discussion? She was his muse. Deal with it! He talks a lot about John too, lol. While we're at it, we should stop being judgemental about the Beatles' breakup as well 50 years down the track.

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    2. Friend, Paul still "writes" songs about Jane. Oh yes, it would appear that Paul has been writing songs to Jane for a very long time. It seems that he loved Jane a lot more than what people think, especially Linda. She couldn't get her from his thoughts.
      The "Mess" written in '72 with Wings
      You sailed away one night in june
      I heard you say you would be back soon
      But since that day it's been on long loon
      Oh - sweet darling the mess i'm in

      "Long Tailed Winter Bird" 2020 Jane performed in The Winter Tale '66
      Do you, do-do, do you miss me?
      Do you, do-do, do you feel me?
      Do you, do-do, do you miss me?
      Do you, do-do, do you feel me?
      Do you, do-do, do you miss me?
      Do you, do-do, do you feel me?
      Do you, do-do, do you trust me?
      Do you, do-do, do you?
      You would not believe the songs we've researched. It's interesting.

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    3. You're probably stretching the idea of the truth based on opinions you've held for a long time and can't relinquish. I doubt Paul is still writing songs to/for Jane decades later, while now happily married to his 3rd wife. A lot of McCIII was written during lockdown and an enforced separation while Paul was in England and Nancy was in New York. If he was missing anyone, it was probably her.

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    4. Jane dated and lived with Robert Kidd, a Scottish theater director from August 1968 to 1970-71. He came home, towards the end of their relationship with the intention of asking her to marry him, but Jane was gone. Years later they collaborated on a play, the theme being their doomed relationship. Interesting how people mine their own lives for creative outlets. So Jane just gets on with things, in life and love, and doesn't dwell or reminisce in public. As for all these songs Paul is supposedly writing to/for Jane decades later: You're having a laugh, right?

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  32. Paul's been through alot and has got pretty thick skin, so doubt he really cares. One person's judgementalism is another person's criticism. Comments on internet message boards and judgementalism (or criticism, or whatever you want to call it) go hand in hand. Especially when it comes to rabid fans of this band. Have been a Beatles fan for a long time. And have never met a Beatles fan who has never been "judgemental" at one point or another. Maybe I will one day. But probably not.

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    1. You are right about rabid fans and their extreme opinions, but perhaps you have also been judgemental without realizing it? I guess it's easy to take the moral high ground over others but the Beatles are public figures and like anyone in the public eye they come in for criticism. They've disclosed their opinions, talked about their private lives, been indiscreet about their drug use and sexual pecadillos and had millions of good and not so good words written about them. What do people expect - a wall of silence? If so, sites like this wouldn't even exist. You depend on the Beatles industry just as much as anyone.

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    2. Never suggested I was non-judgemental. Moral high ground? You completely miscomprehended my post. Switch to decaf, and have a wonderful day.

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    3. 10:26 - perhaps you should switch to decaf and have a nice day

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  33. in this site we discuss all Beatle related stuff including the Paul/Jane issue particularly from us who remember way back when

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    1. That is right! This is the place where we can nitpick and look deep into Beatle issues -- especially the Beatles romantic relationships.

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    2. thank you Sara!

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    3. Sara what's with all the Paul haters and Jane obsessers? Reading all these comments, one gets the impression that Paul is the only man who cheated on a woman. Don't you think, this has gotten out of hand?

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    4. Maybe because so many other fans are desperate to get him off the hook? Hating Paul for his behaviour doesn't mean hating him as a person. Same goes for the other three. Calling it hate is way over the top. Why the resentment towards Jane anyway. She was a huge creative influence on Paul and the Beatles, loved and believed in him, and deserves her place in their history. Within this context it's fair enough to discuss this. People are far more obsessed with Yoko and Linda who they think were the 5th and 6th Beatles respectively, and ironically, did a great deal to break them up, and without actually
      having much creative impact on the band at all. I wish people would stop confusing John and Paul's solo careers with the Beatles and give more credence to the women who were actually there 1963 to 1968.

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    5. Fans are desperate to get Paul off the hook!!!! Are you serious, where are you getting all this?! Hello, I hope you know that all this happened sixty years ago! We don't resent Jane, because we understand that she was a big part of his life and she was also his muse. But we have great respect for Linda, for making him happy and keeping him stable, the same goes for Nancy. Him marrying Heather Mills was a big mistake but at least they were happy for a while. And no it's not over the top, because you're not Paul's fans, you're just obsessed with Jane. I don't see these kind of comments
      directed to the other three, when these men have been unfaithful too. I get the feeling that if Jane ever sees comments, she'll have a good laugh! And no neither Linda nor Yoko broke up The Beatles, they broke each other up, get your facts right. And stop resenting Paul because he didn't marry your beloved Jane and Linda for taking her place.












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    6. thank you 2/2 at 5:58 - well said

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    7. Feb 3, 8.54 am. What's wrong with you people? Why do you get so angry and want to turn everything said about Jane into a big fight about Linda? Why is this happening again? The only thing that would make you happy would be to ban all comments about Jane from this site. Let's ban Jane altogether. Is nobody allowed a point of view other than your own? You need to bring Linda into everything and constantly harp on about how happy Paul and Linda's marriage was. Fine, but their marriage has nothing to do with Maggie McGivern and her relationship with Paul while he was with Jane. Perhaps you should check the original photo and try staying on track or keep off all together. I could respond to the silly notion of Jane obsessives but I'm not going to drop to your level. How do know Jane would laugh? She might, she might not. But she might recognize the empathy for her, which you find so offensive. Paul and Linda were not the Beatles. My interest in the Beatles, and Paul in particular, centres on what it was about them, why they wrote the songs they did, how people close to them affected them, and why they behaved in certain ways. I'm not so interested in their solo careers but you are quite free to follow who you want.

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    8. I was only replying to 2/2 at 5.58 pm. I don't know if you're the same person, but I think you need to read again that comment and mine. And you people who keep bringing Jane up, not me, and I 'm certainly not angry.Jane's fans seem to be living in a world of their own, and I don' like it when you call Paul a jerk and a louse. And don't get wrong ideas, I'm not obsessed with Linda!

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  34. How do I subscribe to this blog, please?

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  35. "I do not care who bedded who in the Beatles".
    Wonderful blog.

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  36. Here is a pretty good 1999 E! True Hollywood Story documentary,The Beatles Wives which includes Paul and Jane's relationship and break up.


    https://vimeo.com/497231797

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  37. Paul and Jane were interviewed in 1967 in Hunter Davies great only authorized biography,The Beatles when they were engaged to be married and Paul said he knew now that he was being selfish and silly pressuring Jane to give up her life long acting career that she very much loved,and Paul said she met a boy friend once and he said fine I'll get someone else but he said that it was shattering to be without her,and this is when he wrote You Won't See Me and I'm Looking Through You both on the great Rubber Soul album.


    I also forgot to add that Paul also wrote the early songs Every Little Thing and What You're Doing on the very good underrated late 1964 Beatles For Sale album too. Also one of Brian Epstein's assistants and friends Alistair Taylor said that when Jane left him (rightly so after finding him in their bed with another woman when Jane and Paul had been lovers for 5 years by then since she just turned 17 and Paul turned 21 2 months after they met and they were engaged to be married for 7 months by then) Paul called Alistair on the phone like 1 am upset and then he came over his house 2 am and cried and drank liquor and told him how much he loved and needed Jane and how close they were and how he opened up everything inside himself to her including his pain about his beloved nurse and midwife mother Mary dying at only age 47 from breast cancer when Paul was only 14 and his brother Michael was only 12.


    Alistair also said that Paul tried very hard for a long time to get Jane to forgive him and come back to him,and this was after he met Linda Eastmen twice who became Linda McCartney,but all of Paul's letters were returned unopened and all his phone calls were ignored.Linda was also 4 months pregnant when he married her,although he did ask her to marry him when she was only about a month pregnant so she might not have yet known that she was then.But Linda at first told Paul when he first asked her to marry him,that she really didn't want to get married again.


    Also there used to be a great online 1986 Entertainment This Week hour long interview with Paul by a great interviewer Barbara Hower who asked him such great and some rare questions that other interviewers haven't.And she said to him probably your first great love before you married Linda was Jane Asher,and she said she was also a strong yet kind woman,she was asking what Paul found so appealing about strong,kind intelligent women.And Paul's reaction was very telling when Barbara said this about Jane being his first great love,he turned his head and the look on his face for just about 2 minutes or so,you could tell it really still struck an emotional chord.


    Also Ringo and Barbara Bach are still very much in love with each other after being married since April 1981 with no kids of their own together, Ringo had 3 kids with his first wife Maureen and Phil Donahue had 5 kids with his first wife and they divorced after 17 years of marriage,but he and Marlo Thomas have been happily married since May 1980 and they never had kids together either,Marlo had never been married until her early 40's. Paul and Nancy are in love and happily married for almost 10 years and they are never going to have children together either.

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  38. imo Paul loved Jane when he wasn't bedding some other woman and linda being pg saying she didn't want marriage again, Paul was hooked

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  39. Paul was exercising his biological imperative when Jane wasn't around, probably more than she ever realized. Until she did, and that was the end. Recently I was comparing song lyrics dating all the way back to '64 and comparing the heart and soul in so many of the songs, to Paul's cool exterior, almost an indifference, in what he said about his steadiest girlfriend. If there had been more of a solid balance in their real world, and the longing and romance in the songs, they might have gone the distance. Or no matter what, eventually returned to their respective, and very different worlds.

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    1. There wasn't a solid balance in any of the Beatles relationships during the Beatlemania years. I don't see how there could be with the massive fame and adulation that swept over them literally overnight. It seems unfair to compare how their marriages fared after the Beatles split and they started living individual lives. That the four of them were no longer working and touring together must have made easier for their second wives/relationships. To be honest I've generally found Paul's post Beatles love songs a little forced. His rock or experimental songs are more interesting.

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  40. Recently I was comparing song lyrics dating all the way back to '64 and comparing the heart and soul in so many of the songs, to Paul's cool exterior, almost an indifference, in what he said about his steadiest girlfriend.
    Edited: Recently I was comparing song lyrics dating all the way back to '64 and noticed the contrast bewtween the heart and soul in so many of the songs, to Paul's cool exterior, almost an indifference, in what he actaully said about his steadiest girlfriend.

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  41. Ah the morality police, clearly those without wealth looks, charm and free time never had the perils of being lured to bed. Word got back to Paul that Jane was seeing someone else while working in Bristol for several weeks. They both took advantage of their status and yet tried to make it work. Both families adored the other and Paul was working with Peter Asher at Apple on a frequent basis. Peter knew the score and in the end the break up was mutual with Jane. It had run its course and both ended up happier with different partners.

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    1. Who needs the morality police when we have Alastair Taylor? You need to read his interview about Paul and Jane's breakup. Taylor was the one who consoled Paul, who was never right in his heart or head again. She was faithful to him - he was not and she caught him in the bed they shared. End of story.

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    2. Feb 1 at 9.19pm. Stop being judgemental, we don't really know what happened between Paul and Jane, and we're never going to know. After all this all happened so many years ago and both of them found happiness with other partners. In the seventies, Paul was writing songs about Linda and not Jane! This woman cheated on him too, she was no saint! Stop hating on Paul and Linda, it's leading you nowhere!

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    3. Feb 1 at 5.02pm. Nothing wrong in Paul having that lifestyle if he wanted but why have a serious relationship at the same time? If having your cake and eating it and keeping it secret fits in with your morality then that's fine. Seems that Jane and Paul deniers like to keep this thread going. Funny how people never accuse Cynthia, Maureen and Pattie of playing around (if you think being married makes a difference, think again) yet have no problem charging it to Jane. Perhaps you should brush up on your Beatles history. Paul said Jane LEFT him over a row about his other girlfriends and went to Bristol. She had every right to find someone else, so hard luck Paul. "The breakup was mutual.." Yep, sure it was once Paul realized he couldn't get Jane back. I'll give the last word to Ringo. "I don't know why they broke up. They were lovers and always together. Perhaps you should ask Jane, it would be more interesting!" So sorry fans and hangers on, but Ringo knew a lot more about them than you ever did, and that it was much more complicated than all this stuff. He went through it himself.

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    4. Are you so sure Paul wrote songs about Linda? Have you ever took the time to read his lyrics? Critics always said Paul's lyrics never make sense but they do to me. Jane never cheated on Paul. He was the only man she had ever been with up until their breakup -she then moved on and he had not choice since she refused him. Watch the video "Only Love Remains" which is Paul being portrayed as an old man and reflecting his past love, who happens to be an actress sitting on the couch looking like Jane Asher. He wouldn't even let Linda mess with her memory putting her in a chair. lol You folks have a lot to learn if you are going to defend someone. Research first..then argue.

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    5. Feb 2 at 2.35pm. You are extremely judgmental yourself describing Jane as 'this woman'
      and accusing her of cheating on Paul without a shred of evidence. Who said she wasn't a saint? You? That's plain nasty and something you think is true because you want it to be true.

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    6. Feb 2 at 7.40.Jane herself admitted that she had cheated on Paul. Now if she lied about it, that's up to her. Perhaps you can ask her yourself. I can't beleive the adulation you all seem to have for this woman. What has she done to you? You all seem hypnotised. This is very unhealthy. Get a life!

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    7. Feb 2 at 6.47pm. Yeah right. Songs like Maybe I'm amazed, My Love, Lovely Linda and so many others were all written for Jane and not for Linda, and songs like My Velentine and others were also written for Jane and not for Nancy!! You are being very ridiculous and pathetic. I feel very sorry for you. Once Paul met Linda, he forgot all about his previous women, including Jane. Also one has to keep in mind, that althoughJane and Paul had a five year relationship, they didn't spent a lot of time together.

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    8. In the exhausting research that I and Stephen did, not once did Jane ever admit to cheating on Paul. It is a pathetic rumor. Taylor said that when Jane walked in on Paul and Francie she was in shock. She was so upset that she sent her mother to collect her things. It was over! Claiming Jane cheated on Paul is an attempt to remove his own guilt. As Taylor and others agreed, Jane was too good for Paul. I'm happy for anyone who can find their own path and happiness, and she did that. Paul is on his third marriage? Her ending is a good one.

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  42. And what exactly do you mean by saying that Paul was never right again in his heart and mind? That's a very cruel thing to say, and especially about someone you don't know personally. For all we know, Paul was very happy with Linda, and now he's very happy with Nancy. You all Jane obsessers, seem to live in a world of your own, get over it, once and for all!

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    1. Well, there's the lyrics in his songs that point to Jane, Jane and Jane. Then there's the movie "Give my regards to Broad street" which Jane appeared in Broad Street. But every female character from the girl in the teacup, the lead dancer, Tracy, the secretary, the woman in the meet, and the girl by the water all have red hair. The dancers in his video "My ever present past" all had to wear red wigs. And, after his divorce from Heather, Paul used Linda for public sympathy, while Heather responded the next day with dyed...red hair. Ouch! According to Linda's friend Peter Cox Paul was very abusive to Linda. That's not love but control. Nancy? Read the lyrics to his songs after he married Nancy. They are not about her! I researched this guy and one of these days it will all come out. Mark my words.

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    2. please stop your hating on Jane

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    3. I agree! Derek Taylor and Alastair Taylor both wrote that Paul had a break down after Jane left. Are we to ignore that? Six months after their five year long relationship breakup he marries and gets Linda pregnant. How reasonable is it to assume he was over Jane? The human heart cannot be turned off so quickly. Some people never get over their first love.

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    4. jane and paul are long over with but the music he wrote about her when he was a Beatle many years ago lives on

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    5. Feb. 2 at 6.61.What on earth are you talking about? You're not making any sense, have you read what you wrote?! Mark my words, really!!

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    6. Who's hating on Jane? Perhaps you should all try to keep this woman in a closet! I hope you don't dream about her! I still say, she would have a good laugh upon reading these comments! It's this obsession thats making me tick, you all sound so pathetic. Comment how much you like, this will only convince me that I'm right.

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  43. There seems to be a very stubborn fixation on one or two interviews (Peter Cox and Alistair Taylor) where Linda's personal frustrations and Paul's distress after his break up with Jane are revealed. And then exploited many years later as though they tell the whole story for all the people involved. Depending on the dynamics in the relationship, every marriage has ups/downs and peaks and valleys of togetherness and feelings of isolation or discontent, sometimes serious, but just as often dispelled with a shared joke, kiss or discussion that breaks down barriers. I have no doubt this was true for Paul and Linda, something they were open about more than once, in many different phases of their marriage. Jane has always possessed a strong sense of self-worth and the desire to pursue her own path, independent of her mate. A detriment to a man who needed a partner by his side at all times, and once he found that person, was committed to her for a lifetime.
    Songs for/about Jane? I also doubt that Jane has lurked in his subconscious
    as a shadowy, haunting presence that comes forth in laments or apologies or secret passion. She's part of his history, both personal and artistic, he has (finally) acknowledged that, but their time together remains in the past.

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    1. Jane's memory is actually very much in the present. Why I continue to dispute claims about her. Peter Cox became friends with Linda while working with her on her Vegan cookbook. He taped his conversations with Linda in which Paul purchased in 2016 during his highly publicized divorce with Mills to keep from the public. It had recipes broken down and Linda's thoughts. Cox said "I also had a secret weapon, though I'm not particularly proud of this. Linda had spoken to me about Jane Asher, Paul's former fiancee, and while it wasn't in a jealous way, she was quite negative about her." So, why is Linda bringing up Jane's name to a new friend and speaking smack about her in the late 80s? First thing she asked Jo Jo Laine is "Do you know Jane Asher" which Laine found very strange. Linda was as obsessed with Jane as Paul was. Linda told Cox she wanted to leave Paul during this time period (1987-1989). These people do not matter to me -I don't know them personally. However, I am aware of the subject and I can defend my stance. Can you? Paul uses his lyrics to give messages to Jane for years. I think it's brilliant myself.

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  44. I can't believe people are still bickering over Jane vs. Linda under a photo of Maggie. I am glad that I am not famous. I would hate for people to think I was still in love with my ex from when I was in my 20s.

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    1. Some knickers are really in a twist over this. A few of the ideas presented remind me of conspiracy theories.

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    2. I can't even get through reading all of the comments. They are very long-winded, and I don't really understand them very much because some things do sound like conspiracy theories. The song "Lovely Linda" is secretly about Jane? Huh? I stopped reading after that. I just approve them because no one seems to be calling each other names.

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  45. "Jane has always possessed a strong sense of self-worth and the desire to pursue her own path, independent of her mate".

    Feb 3, 11.09 am. You are being hugely presumptuous here. Maybe you could explain the answer Jane gave to British broadcaster Godfrey Winn in May 1969 when he asked her what her ambitions were: To get married and have children. Or, only a mere handful of years after Paul, gave birth to three children and put her career on hold to rear them.

    "Independent of her mate". Really? Perhaps what Jane really wanted in a mate was one who supported her path as much as she supported his. And she did. Support isn't a one way ticket.

    "A detriment to a man who needed a partner by his side at all times, and once he found that person, was committed to her for a lifetime".

    Oof. I mean, come on. High and mighty words indeed. Do you really think Paul was that dull? I'd like to have seen how Linda would have fared if the Beatles hadn't split and she'd had John Lennon to contend with. Why did Paul need to turn Linda into something she wasn't? A mother and a photographer, Paul gushed when he first met her and why he was drawn to her. Two years later wasn't that enough for him? Too much of a detriment? In what way would they have to be apart? In my opinion, you love someone for who they are not for what you want them to be.

    As for the rest, I don't give a toss about Peter Cox and his dubious claims. As for Alistair Taylor, Cynthia Lennon and several others who knew Paul and Jane, I see no more 'stubborn' fixation on them than on Lennon Remembers or Jann Wenner's dismissal of Paul or the Get Back docs, or 'Paul was a tyrant in the studio' or Lennon's diaries. Perhaps you just want everything about Paul swept under the rug. You're right. Jane was a big part of Paul's personal and artistic history. So why try and bury it. The Beatles became famous because of their music not their marriages. They were artists and musicians, not marriage role models.

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    1. This sentence was missing a word, was supposed to include *career.*
      "Jane has always possessed a strong sense of self-worth and the desire to pursue her own career path, independent of her mate". Jane was/is an artist in her own right and made that clear from the very beginning.
      You: "Or, only a mere handful of years after Paul, gave birth to three children and put her career on hold to rear them."
      Not really. Kate was born in '74, and her brothers followed several years later. They're all doing well.

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  46. Sara, with due respect I don't think that's the point. There may be one or two people who think that but it's more about the objection to the way Paul's fans use his happy and stable marriage to Linda to justify his previous behaviour towards Jane. Nothing justified it. Alls well that ends well and all that. As long as famous and talented Paul is happy that's all that matters. Except of course Jane was the one deficient in some way, was unsupportive of Paul, was career-driven and didn't understand Paul, cheated on him, and that his widespread infidelities were perfectly fine within a serious relationship. Cue Maggie McGivern. When others challenge the truthfulness of this stuff then all hell lets loose. I'm not surprised Jane refuses to talk about Paul. Paul has often talked about Jane knowing she is in the public eye and knowing she has wanted to disassociate herself from him for nearly 60 years. He knows the British press and media constantly bring up her ex-Beatle boyfriend/fiance status. Maybe this is something American fans don't understand. Yet Paul has never acknowledged publicly what he has privately - that he messed up. He thinks it's cool to be seen as a player in his youth, which is a bit pathetic these days. One commenter said Paul wasn't the only man to ever cheat. No he wasn't the only one, but none of their exs have received the same level of intense public interest the way Jane has. That's the difference. Does Jane even want to be on Beatles sites such as this one? Particularly if she is insulted and derided, I think not.

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    1. A lot there for me to read. I don't truly know what you are talking about. Just a lot of activity under a photo of Maggie and Paul. I am sure Jane doesn't want to be included in sites like mine, but she is part of the Beatle's history and gets included the way Cynthia, Maureen, and Pattie do.

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    2. I think the difference in misunderstanding is that I'm coming from a British perspective and your site is from an American perspective. Outside Beatledom I don't think Jane is well-known in America. She is in the UK and for other things beside acting and Paul, and always has been even before she met Paul in 1963. Also some of my comments were facetious. You mention Cynthia, Pattie and Maureen also being part of Beatles history. They were also treated badly by their men (who also went on to have happiness with second partners) yet any comments expressing sympathy or support for them nowhere near meet the anger and antagonism shown towards Jane Asher. It's very hypocritical. I'm sorry you don't understand my comments.

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  47. believe Maggie and Denny Laine were an item in 1970

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  48. I am no longer going to approve any more comments. This group of you are just going on. Look how long your comments are. I am way too busy to read all of this and try to make heads or tales of it. Since I am doing this all alone, I don't have the time or interest to moderate. Just go back to enjoying the photographs and the stories that I share, okay?

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  49. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/john-lennon-of-english-rock-and-pop-group-the-beatles-posed-news-photo/84899899?adppopup=true

    Maggie right, same woman as top picture with all the men gawking at her. No way Paul walks away from her unless she boots him. Probably a never ending story. Didn't she say she was not in Magical Mystery tour since she was busy but here she is

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  50. That's Jeni Crowley, a fan club secretary, for the beach scene in MMT. The guys seem more interested in the camera. At least they are being decent, she was only about 16/17.

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  51. Look at the other pictures, she needs her own fan club. Maybe this "Jeni" borrowed some of Maggie's clothes

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  52. Since all the women on this board are fighting I wish to offer a happy valentines day to "to all the women I wished I had loved before"

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  53. First of all, Jane was dating, Paul McCartney! He was, it’s not the most desirable, certainly one of the most desirable men on the planet during the time they dated and eventually engaged. She decided to take jobs anway from him… some even across the pond for weeks and months at a time. He was in his 20s, gorgeous, famous, Rich! What did she think would happen!? Also, it is widely known that Paul was aware of a least 2 boyfriends she had in her troupe during their time together. So please let’s not make Jane Asher out to be some kind of sad, hurt, saint t- she wasn’t. They stay together for so long because they really love each other but ultimately they found partners that were better for each other. Linda was an amazing wife, mother! She was a much better match and perfectly suited for Paul. Jane, wanted her own thing and didn’t put him first. That’s what he wanted… to be put first to have a woman at home for him and his children. Call that what you want but that’s what he wanted and he got that life with Linda. Paul and Linda loved each other very much, and were faithful up until her death. Maybe he was a total dog in the 60s but as a married man, he proved to be faithful, and for that he’s a step above almost every other rock ‘n’ roller, including his two fellow Beatles and John and George, who were pretty disgusting throughout their marriages!

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  54. this is getting old already

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