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McCartney at 43: The Beatle Goes On (1986)



McCartney at 43:  The Beatle Goes On

By David Zimmerman

USA Weekend

March 30, 1986


     Each morning, Paul McCartney runs two miles through the chill air in fields and forest on his farm in Sussex. "It reminds me of when I was a boy," says the man whose music embodied the exuberance and angst of a generation.

     At 43--- two-thirds of the way to the age that seems so remote in the Beatles classic " When I'm 64," he is as busy as ever. Each day, he returns from his run to the recording studio near his home to continue work on an untitled new album aimed for release this spring. It will be his first since 1984, when he wrote the soundtrack for his critically lambasted film, Give My Regards to Broad Street, and there's talk of another USA tour, his first since 1979.

     In a rare interview, McCartney says he doesn't miss the old days and that he's found a new kind of happiness, centered in a five-bedroom home in rural England, where, despite search lights and security fences, he and his wife, Linda, and their four children live fairly modestly. 

    "I think it (the new album) will be a good one," he says, "but I can never talk about music." He's playing most of the instruments on the tracks and co-writing with Eric Stewart of the group 10cc, which had the hit "I'm Not in Love."

     Ever faithful fans are hoping the new album will rekindle the old spark that produced some of the world's most popular songs. Fans and critics alike cite co-producer Hugh Padgham, who has worked with the Police and Phil Collins, as a promising choice. Last month, Padgham won a Grammy for co-producing Collins' album, No Jacket Required. McCartney says his longtime producer, George Martin, is "sort of retired."

     Pagham says he and McCartney got together a couple of times, and "We thought we'd give it a go. I think we both agree that we'd like to get a tougher sound--- to be as modern as possible." To most critics, McCartney's music has been less than inspired for the past decade, although John Lennon's death jarred him enough to produce 1982's extraordinary Tug of War album, in which he eloquently conveyed his sense of loss. 

    "I think the consensus would be that he's in a creative slump," said Billboard magazine's Paul Grein. "Obviously, he's a perennial and preeminent songwriter, an artist of the past 25 years, but for most of the 80s, most people would agree he's been searching for a direction."

     Jann Wenner, editor and publisher of Rolling Stone, says, "McCartney doesn't seem to have any clear artistic identity to carry him over the years." And Grein added that "While his title track for the recent movie Spies Like Us cracked the top 10, that's mostly a testament to his personal appeal and the fact that radio wants to play him and fans want to hear him."

     McCartney himself, known as the world's most successful songwriter, rich enough to buy two and a half Bob Hopes isn't ready to rest on his records and his $600 million fortune. He has worked with such out front artists as Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder, and considers himself a contemporary, and he works as hard as everyone.

     A recent 12-minute animated short, Rupert the Bear that he produced and scored, was shown in British theaters and became the country's top-selling video. A full-length feature, also based on the beloved British storybook character, is expected to follow. 

    He worked on a recent BBC production on Buddy Holly and his songs, for which McCartney owns rights. When not working, he watches a lot of TV, enjoys making pottery, and is a dabbler in portraits. Recently, he finished the likeness of his son James, who pronounced it was "excellent."  "A high compliment," says father Paul. "It's one of his favorite words at the moment."

     He'll talk  little of the children who include Heather, 22, by Linda's first marriage, Mary, 16, and Stella, 14, who all have attended regular schools. "The less I say about them, the more normally they can grow up. But I will say they're all good kids," he adds before inserting that characteristic Liverpudlian twist that pulls back from straight out of motion. "I'll go on record as saying that. They may read this.

     "The rural neighbors have helped," he says, "by joining a kind of conspiracy that allows a fairly normal life. They know I'm famous, but they know us as parents, and they see how I behave and that I want to be private. They know how they would feel if they wanted to go see their children in a school play."

     And how does the self-described former 'Playboy of the Western world' discuss with his own brood the delicate subject of sex? "I'll go into all the facts as I know them. It's okay. Be very careful if you're going to sleep with someone. Be aware that babies can be made. The main thing I say is that I know what I was like at 16. I wasn't looking for marriage."

     Linda, 44, played in his now defunct post-Beatles group Wings, but she is less active musically now. "The children take care of all of her time," says McCartney. There's no nanny. A neighbor sometimes helps clean. The country life, two hours from London, means the McCartneys can spin off their vegetarian philosophy into farming. 

    The Sussex farm produces grain and is home to a few sheep and horses. A farm in Argyle, Scotland, has 400 sheep. "The first few years, I didn't know what the heck was going on. We would just be getting to love the sheep, and they would go off in the trolley. But now none of our sheep go to the market. They all die of old age."

     It's Linda, an accomplished photographer, who he says is the family's "mad nature lover." In retrospect, he knows it was an incredible, audacious thing to put her, a non musician, in Wings. "We were a courting couple. We just met. It was like, 'Would you like to join the group?'"

     Though she did surprisingly well in the band. Criticism caused her to be "very hurt on a number of occasions," he says.  As Linda said in a Playboy magazine interview, "I mean, how do you go out with Beethoven and say, 'Sure, I'll sing harmony with you,' when you've never sung a note? It was mad.' But McCartney's tenacity and gift for writing hits took Wings from a small, almost laughable beginning to a string of world number one hits that almost matched his Beatles success. He claims he made more money from Wings than from The Beatles, and that he couldn't have done it without Linda's perseverance. "She was very supportive as I was going through a lot of problems with the breakup of the Beatles."

     Many of those problems were with Lennon, some financial, some personal. The two, particularly Lennon, took potshots in interviews and albums. Says Lennon's son, Julian, "Dad and Paul always seemed to have a love-hate relationship. They fought and loved like two brothers. The thing to remember is they couldn't have written so many great songs without having mutual respect. For years, Paul has sent me birthday and Christmas cards. I consider him a good friend."

     The pain of Lennon's death is real to McCartney, yet he feels he must defend himself against those who say or think that Lennon's brilliance is greater than his own. "Surely, John wasn't an angel, and the rest of us idiots," he says.

     He is, of course, no idiot, wisely taking the advice of his father-in-law, lawyer Lee Eastman, to invest his fortune in what he knew best, music. "I didn't want to have to learn about computers or anything like that," he said. McCartney told Eastman he liked Buddy Holly's music. Next thing he knew, Eastman had bought Holly songs. Later, they bought such standards as "Tenderly," and "Stormy Weather" and such coups as the rights to Annie and A Chorus Line.  The fortune multiplied.

     After Lennon's death, McCartney insisted that he come up with his own worth. Insiders report that the figure is $600 million -- higher than any previous estimate. "If it's true, I don't mind," says McCartney, who says his wealth is spread around and his charitable contributions mostly are kept confidential. "I'm really most interested in not wasting money. If I do anything, I try to make it work."

     The Rupert the Bear movie is something McCartney has tried to make work for a long time. He had attempted to persuade the other Beatles to take on Rupert rather than Yellow Submarine. "I was reading one of the books to the kids one night, and I thought I'd love to see it move." As in the short produced last year, McCartney would supply Rupert's soft, high-pitched voice. 

    Some ventures, of course, haven't worked, namely the film Broad Street. He's not dwelling on those misfires. He's enthusiastic about the new album and maybe, just maybe, a USA tour soon afterwards. "I'm not ruling it out," he says.  "People ask me that, since I  suspect that John got shot, and people think that none of us dare tour again, but I like performing. There's a special feedback you get."

     A Tour would require McCartney to put together a band. In Hunter Davies new revised edition of The Beatles (McGraw-Hill, 1985), he's quoted as saying he's "fed up with running a band. It's like being stuck with bad relations."

     But producer Quincy Jones found McCartney a cooperative collaborator, and working with him and Jackson on the song "The Girl Is Mine." "Paul knows who he is, musically and personally, so there's no ego problems."

     McCartney admits he's mellowed a bit. "If the office pressures me to make more money, it's bye, I've got to go home and see the kids'". Indeed, except for crow's feet radiating from the puppyish eyes when he smiles, silver flecks in the one-time mop-top, and a slight pouch that automatically sucks in when cameras appear, he can still almost seem the carefree boy who is running through the woods. "I still make a lot of music," he says, "and music keeps you young."


Extra

Lennon/McCartney - A Very Hard Act to Follow

By David Zimmerman 

    The looming figure in Paul McCartney's past is John Lennon, his songwriting partner, murdered in 1980 was the other half of a complicated love-hate relationship that brewed genius. With Lennon gone to legend, McCartney is left to sort out that relationship and finds his own creative skills sometimes doubted, and his motivations are often questioned.

 Some of his musings.

 Q: Do you believe that you reacted too callously to Lennon's death?

 A:  On the day John was shot, we all went into work. None of us could bear to sit at home. I was coming out of the studio, and one of the reporters stuck a microphone in the car window and said something like, 'What do you think?' It was such a loaded, huge question that I would have had to be Mr. Suave to answer. I said 'It's a drag', and I meant draaaaaaagg -- in the worst sense of the word, but it sounded so flippant. When I saw it in print, I thought, 'Oh God, no.'

 Q:  Do you regret sharing credit with Lennon on Beatles songs?

 A:  There's no one like John. It's a hard act to follow because he was so good, so clever, and particularly because we came up together. When we actually decided to become songwriters, we decided together to be a Rogers and Hammerstein and that we would share everything. That's why songs like " Yesterday", which are totally my work, were called co-written. I don't regret it. My heirs might regret it later. 

Q: Did you really call Lennon a maneuvering swine?

 A: When you're famous, you become an easy target. This spurious book (Philip Norman's Shout) came out with crazy theories four years ago. He was a very heavy John Lennon fan. So I rang a friend to unload on him. He happened to be a journalist. I never said John was a maneuvering swine. I said John had the ability to maneuver, and he was a political animal, aware of the legal system. He was very smart that way.

    Things that I've said have been taken out of context. And the same thing happened to John. I remember John himself, pale-faced on American television, apologizing for saying the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. It's a frightening film for me to watch. I remember the Bible Belt kids knocking on our bus, but it was a constructive remark. Actually, we were supporting the church. 

 

Ringo's peace and love collection


 March 31, 2011


Has it really been this long since Ringo debuted this t-shirt with the Hard Rock Cafe?  I bought the pin and still have it in my collection.  

Heading to Work


 

Magical Mystery Meet up



 

Paul McCartney Breakout Interview (1983)


 Paul McCartney Interview

By Neil Tilly

Breakout Liverpool Music and Arts Fanzine

August/September 1983


    AIR studios, partly owned by George Martin, is situated in the middle of London's Oxford Street, 50 yards from Oxford Circus Tube. It is on the fourth floor, high above the masses, where Paul McCartney is recording his new LP. It was in the restroom that we were to meet. The room looked more like an airport reception lounge containing a coffee bar, pool table, video games, and scores of exotic plants.

     So here I was waiting to meet Paul McCartney, a legend who, with The Beatles, changed the face of modern music like no one has ever done since. He entered, wearing jeans and a short-sleeve shirt, looking a little tired after recording. Paul McCartney has never been idle. As well as working on a new album, he has recently been turning his hand to a spot of acting for a yet-to-be-released film called Give My Regards to Broad Street. I asked him how the film was coming along. 


Paul:  Great. We just finished the main bit. We started in November last year and worked on and off until a couple of months ago. It was a big change for me. I did A Hard Day's Night and Help! and enjoyed the setup of films. It's like a fantasy world, but a lot of hard work is involved. 

Q: Do you intend to make more films? 

Paul: If this one works out. I think it's working out. I feel good about it. And I didn't even mind getting up early, which traditionally musicians don't like. It was great actually seeing the dawn again. I still prefer music, though.

 Q:  Do you ever think your music will dry up? 

Paul:  I always think about that from time to time. It's like asking an athlete or a footballer about his sport, and he'll say he'll go on till he stops enjoying it. It's a cliche, but it's true. I don't actually think it will dry up. I always wonder if it will, but I don't think it will. I will probably be trying to write songs on my deathbed. 

Q:  Is it as much fun now as it was in '64?

 Paul:  No. It could be because it was a new thrill then.  That's why I like filming because it's a new experience.

     I've seen music come from four-track to 48-track and more, and it's made it not as much fun. I don't mean that it's hell on wheels or lousy, I just mean that it's not as much fun as four lads traveling down from Liverpool, about to shake the world, as they say, up in Mathew Street. 

    But you can't possibly get that back. I don't think you could recapture four lads coming down from Liverpool, seeing the music scene, having a bit of success, then more success, and doing so well. I'm now 41 and have four kids, so it's a whole different thing. It's not so much of a novelty now as I know what I'm doing. It's like the thrill of going to Butlins for the first time. It's not as much fun going back there as an entertainment manager, but I still love it. 

    Yesterday, I had a shout up because the pace we work at is so slow. Before you can even get a 48-track tape up, the engineer has to spend at least an hour to find where he is. In the early days, we only used to work with four-track, and we would record an album in a day. I think the record industry is overproduced, but it's like looking back at old money and saying 'a pint used to cost three pence.' That's the past. You can't recall all that. The true answer is that it could not be as exciting as the first Beatle buzz, because that had never been seen before. 

    People of England didn't know an English act could do that well in America, because, you know, all the great English stars like Cliff and the people before him, the Frankie Vaughns and all those, and the comedians like Arthur Askey, and going right back, hardly any of them made it in America. They were always second best. And for us to actually go and take over was something you can't repeat, but I don't want to give the impression I'm having a lousy time. Now, it's just different with four kids, this whole other way of working. Now, it's interesting on another level. 

Q: A lot of people compare Breakout with Merseybeat magazine. What to remember of that?

Paul: Well, we were there when Bill Harry started Merseybeat, and for us, it was just great to have anything, in truth, anything that was going to put our picture in it and mention us, and actually, we could put ads in it and have laughs. So for that, Merseybeat for us was great. And I'd say for the groups of today, having something like Breakout is great. Breakout is more professional. Well, actually, the cover is, but inside, it isn't. They didn't look typed like all the fanzines look now, but I think it would be great. 

    If I was just a young group in Liverpool, or not even a group, just a poet, or anyone just vaguely sensitive, or however you class people who like these sorts of things. I think it's great having this kind of stuff. as for comparing it with  Merseybeat. It's like comparing a brown shoe with a black sandal. There's probably a world of difference in your attitude. Really, we used to think it was kind of funny Merseybeat, really, because it used to have articles like, 'Take a Look up North', because no one looked up north. And they used to tell us off for swearing on stage and drinking and eating cheese rolls on stage. And you thought, you know, 'What's wrong with that?' I mean, we're hungry, you know, and the fans don't mind. That's what they've come for: lunchtime sessions. So we used to have a Coke on the piano. It was only Coke, wasn't even booze, but they used to say this was 'highly unprofessional' chewing on stage, so it was a little bit granddaddy 

Q:  We were kind of amused by it, really. It wasn't serious.

Paul: But actually that was one of my pleasanter memories, that is that all the fanzines then weren't serious, not like they are now, I pick up papers now, and there's kind of you know, it's like, it's all a bit like Rodin's 'The Thinker.'  Like everyone is thinking very deeply about it. We weren't. We were just having a bit more fun. I don't see music as that serious. I think it occasionally gets very serious, with something like 'Give Peace a Chance,' 'Stopping Vietnam.' That's bloody serious, and good luck to it. And if it gets serious, great. But when you're just singing something like Flock of Seagulls, stuff, it's just songs. It's just 'Love you baby' really, in a way, I think it's just best to look at it for what it is. Instead of getting serious.

     I remember having a joke on the sax player once in Germany. My girlfriend at the time, sent me this Yevtushenko, the Russian poet, poems. And it was all a bit heavy, you know. And we weren't really into it. We used to pose a little bit with all that stuff-- pipes on the top deck of the buses, and think we were Dylan Thomas students and all that. So she sent me Yevtushenko and we were sitting in the dressing room, and the sax player came in, and we didn't really know him very well. He was from Hamburg, so we were all kidding that we were really into this. And I was going 'and the flesh that creeps...' I can't remember the poem. It was all dead serious. He tiptoed in, and he thought we were like for real, having a poetry reading. And he thought we were like that. Anyway, we were actually taking the piss. So he crept in, he unpacked his sax very quietly, and he crept out, and we just peeped ourselves laughing, because that was it. We were really sending up that attitude, and I still prefer to send up that attitude, although I realize that, obviously, at times you just can't be flippant all the time. 

    But I think that just being deadly serious about everything is dulling. There's a famous case of some fella in America who had some terminal disease, he discovered that vitamin C and a lot of laughter was a cure. He brought films into his bedroom, like Laurel and Hardy, and he got cured. I mean, I don't know how true it is, but I tend to believe that sort of thing; a laugh is really good for you. And I think that some papers these days get a little bit serious. 

Q: What do you think of the redevelopment of the Cavern site? 

Paul:  Rubbish. They should have never pulled it down. It was the most manic move. And the one man who did it, and it will have been one man too. That's how these things all happen, one burk on the council ---and I didn't know who he was. I mean, it would be interesting to see what the vote was, three to seven or something, just these three people. But somebody must have said it would really be a great idea to have an underground railroad coming this way. 'It doesn't matter about the Cavern.' I think there was a bit of an attitude going round at the time, which is easy to foster, which was, well, 'the Beatles left us. They hate Liverpool anyway, or they deserted us.' We used to get it out of that.

     I don't care if someone's got to live somewhere else. It doesn't mean he hates Liverpool, not for me. Anyway, there were millions of fellows before us who went to live in Shrewsbury or joined the army and went to Aldershot. We never used to go, 'Oh, he deserted us.' So I think a lot of the people at the time, maybe the council, were thinking, 'well, sod it. Who needs the cavern anyway?'

     And what's happened is that you get all these tourists turning up saying, 'Where is it that the Beatles were?' So you get the Cavern Mecca people and stuff trying to keep a little bit of that going. I just think it was a stupid move to close it down. They could have easily kept it. They would have certainly used it for this Garden Festival. They could have stuck a big thing up and said, 'Come on' and charge 50 pence a go, or something --  Like everywhere else in the world, Disneyland, Graceland.... Instead, now they're having to go round all our old houses and do that trick, whereas it could have been much easier to leave it all in Matthew Street, and they could have had 'Eric's.'

     I don't know. I don't know all the entire politics of it all, but it just seems to me stupid. And the final irony seems to me that now they don't need it. There's a car park now wherever the underground was going to be. Now they're trying to excavate it, and it'll cost them much more.--typical bureaucratic crap, you know, where they fill in a thing, and now they're excavating it, spending millions. Now, they found a pothole in the Cavern, and they've got a little boat in the water. So I heard, and there's a bank or some big building society putting money in, and they're going to recreate it downstairs. I think it's stupid myself. I'd rather just see all that stuff go, I mean, I don't want to go down the Garden Festival because it's happening, so it's best to get behind it.

     And I suppose, because otherwise it's just a waste of money. But the things do annoy me, you know, because I just think surely you could spend the money better, and somewhere like Liverpool, where you've got so many people who need a break. Instead of all those statues they put up, I'd rather see them put up one plaque. 'This is where they're from', or something. They could stick a plaque up on the Victoria one. That's where we always used to be, you know, up in the city center. I always said that, you know, first they want to put statues up, then they don't come up, then they don't want the people to pay for it. I think it's stupid. I think they're much better things they could do, but you have to have a touch of class and a touch of genius to know all this see -- and they haven't got it. Those counselors, whoever it was who filled the Cavern in, are just not bright, just not smart, I tell you.

     Since we came down from Liverpool and seen all this business stuff going on, I've met so many people in high places who are not smart. It's terrifying, actually, stuff. They're not how you think they are, you know? Well, maybe people nowadays know. I think they know better. Now, we used to have an image that the President of America was a wonderful man-- that was at the time of JFK and stuff. There was a little bit more reason. And then Nixon comes in and blows the whole thing sky high. And no one can believe Reagan. They'll have Frankie Avalon on next. You just can't believe it anymore.

Q: There has been some talk recently about you and Ringo playing together in the summer. Is there any truth to that?

 Paul: No, that's just paper talk. I read that just the other day. It's not true. I suppose it could happen, but we haven't thought about it. The newspapers just made it up. 

Q: Knowing now what you know about your life, would you wish to have changed anything? 

Paul: Generally no, but yes, specific things. If I had known John was going to die, I would not have been as standoffish as I was. You know, people are in relationships. If someone tells you to piss off, you say, 'Well, piss off yourself.' Then you just don't realize that there may be pain. And it's very hard to say Jesus' thing, you know, --- turning the other cheek.

     Okay, you can tell me to 'piss off', but I still think you're great. If I knew John was going to die, I would have made a lot more effort to try and get behind his mask and try and get a better relationship with him. As it was, I think I did have a pretty good relationship with him. When he started slagging me off, I was not prepared to say, 'well, you're quite right', because I'm human. Nobody would sit there and be called  Englebert Humperdinck and say, 'Okay, fine. I think you're right.'

     I just turned around and said, 'piss off'. Had I known it was going to be that final, that quick, I would not have said that. It was only after John had got killed that I realized at the age of three, his dad had left him, but I never knew how much it must have hurt. You take things on their face value and sympathize, but you don't really get into it. John's life was tough and weak. 

    He was not the big 'working-class hero' he liked to make out to be. He was the least working-class member of The Beatles. Actually, he was the poshest because his family almost owned Woolton at one time. All that doesn't really matter, but he did have a rather tough upbringing. His mum used to live with a fellow he was not that wild on, and his mum got knocked down outside his house. And before that, his uncle died. He had a lot of personal tragedies, and then he got married and got a divorce, and he did not know how to relate to his son. So after he died, I could see and say, No wonder what we used to argue. When you live and relate to people day after day, you don't look into all of that until something as final as death happens. 

    That's my regret, really, where I see now what I could have said, 'listen' and put my arm around him. He might have told me to piss off as well. It still goes on. That's the terrifying thing. George and I had a barney last time we talked. It's incredible. After all we have gone through together--- it's madness, really. I find it weird, but that's life, all the other stuff, what we did musically and the fame bit, I don't regret. It has its advantages and its disadvantages.

 Q: Do you get a chance to listen to much music nowadays? 

Paul: Yeah, I listen to the radio mainly. I hear bits and pieces in the studio. I hear a lot through my kids as well.

 Q: What about Liverpool bands?

 Paul:  Really, I've only heard Seagulls and the Bunnymen.

 Q:  What do you think of them? 

Paul:  I think they're all right. The Seagulls seem very commercial. The Bunnymen seem not commercial, but have more integrity-- until he took his shirt off on the Top of the Pops. I thought, 'Oh, dear me, come on.' It just seems silly. There's nothing wrong with taking your shirt off on the Top of the Pops, actually, but it just seemed a bit posy. I'm like the Cutter anyway. I think their stuff's good. It's interesting. The Bunnymen are, like -- we were when we were just getting on. It's a very exciting period. I like the freshness, and you can tell there's an enthusiasm. 

Q:  Would you prefer to visit Liverpool more regularly if you had the chance? 

Paul:  I do have the chance, and I do visit, but I don't visit as regularly as I used to, because my dad is not alive. I still go up to see my brother and other relatives. I'm up at least once a year, usually a lot more than that. As a city, there is not a lot there for me anymore. The time I was there, I met up with my actor friend Victor Bernetti. [sic] We were going out for a drink. We were driving around Dingle. I was showing him where Ringo lived and where my mother used to work. And then we got on to the brow and zap --- it had all gone. This old fella in a wheelchair said a quote which summed it all up. He said, 'Oh yeah, they pulled it all down, and they're not putting anything back up in its place.'


     At this point, we finished the interview on a point which proves Paul McCartney still cares about his native city, and he knows his native city still cares about him. 

Monday, March 30, 2026

John Lennon Self Interview (1974)


 

Interview/Interview With By/On John Lennon And/Or Dr. Winston O'Boogie

By John Lennon

Unknown

October 1974

Q: Well, er, John, it's been a long time no, speak.

A:  Has it been that long? 

Q:  Probably, anyway, what have you been doing since we last talked?

 A:  Oh, the usual

 Q: I see. Well, weren't you supposed to be making an oldies album with Phil (for it is he) Spector?

A:  Yes, it started in '73 but it never ended, even Alex beeinhisbonnet Bennett noticed that.

Q:  Then suddenly, as it were, you were working with that great radio star, Harry (Buckminster) Nilsson.

 A: quite right. I produced his album, Pussycats-- out now at a reasonable discount. Then went on to make my own reasonably wonderful album, Walls and Bridges -- out now, which includes the fast-rising single, "Whatever Gets You Thru the Night", featuring my close friend and fiancé, Elton John, on piano and vocal harmony.

 Q: Do you feel that your new album, Walls and Bridges, is a step forward in your never-ending search for artistic fulfillment, the struggle of the lonely...

A:   I went to a party in LA just to look at Liz Taylor. Was I thrilled to meet her -- And on top of everything, who but who do you think was all over her armpit? None other than the great, great show David the Bowie! Wow! Was I thrilled to see that they were both smaller than me!

 Q:  The track I like best was that miserable one about "Nobody loves you when you..."

 A:   And Brian Wilson was there too, and Ringo and Elton, and it was somebody's 21st...

 Q:  Do you mean smaller physically?

 A: I feel quite happy about the album, Walls and Bridges --out now. The title of which was sent from above in the guise of a public service announcement. 

Q:  How wow!  I was meaning to ask you, John, what you thought of the Beatlefest and why you didn't go and are you getting back together again? How's your immigration and is it true about you and....

A: Great.  Nervous. You never know. Very appealing. If you want to help, write your congress person or some such similar...

 Q: About those dreadful stories that came out of LA with you and Harry, etc...

A: Mostly fiction with a grain of alcohol.

 Q:  I mean, you don't have to answer, but did you rape a waitress in the Rainbow?

 A:  I never actually laid a hand on anyone. In fact, it was impossible. I was carried out.

 Q:  But... but... Todd Rudgren said that you....

A:  That's what you get reading fanzines.

 Q:  Do you like glitter? 

A:  Yes.

 Q:  Talking of the Beatlefest. Didn't you find it strange that David Peel and Alex Beeinhisbennett were both there playing fifth Beatle? 

A: Yes, considering that the day before, I'd seen Peel on cable TV screaming about the Beatles ripping people off, etc, etc.  Alex, well, he's so controversial. He's just getting into Andy Warhol, you know, he's very deep. 

Q:  Didn't you produce an album of Peel's for Apple?

 A:  Yes, one of the highlights of my career.

 Q: Who else have you produced records for in your astonishing but sometimes perfectly ordinary life?

A: Elephant's Memory, Yoko, Harry, myself.

 Q:  Now that you've been living in NY three years, do you still...

A:  If you look closely at the wonderful Walls and Bridges --out now --album package, you'll notice a little noticing "I saw a UFO." Why don't you ask me about that?

 Q: Oh, I hadn't noticed. Did you really? Were you drunk? High? Having a primal?

 A: No, actually, I was very straight. I was laying naked to my bed when I had this urge. 

Q: Don't we all?

A:  So I went to the window-- just dreaming around in my usual poetic frame of mind to cut a long, short story, there, as I turned my head, hovering over the next building, no more than 100 feet away, was this thing with ordinary electric light bulbs flashing on and off round the bottom, one, non blinking red light on top. 'What the Nixon is that!' I says to myself, (for no one else was there). Is it a helicopter? No, it makes no noise. Ah, then it must be a balloon, (practically trying to rationalize it in all my too human ways.) But no balloon. Balloons don't look like that, nor do they fly so low. (Yes, folks, it was flying very slow, about 30 mph) Below, I repeat, below most rooftops. (I.e., higher than the old building, lower than the new) All the time, it was there. I never took my eyes off it, but I did scream to a friend in the other room, "Come and look at this, etc., etc." My friend came running and bore witness with me. Nobody else was around. We tried to take pictures. (Shit on my Polaroid. It was bust.) With a straight camera. We gave the film to Bob Gruen to develop. He brought back a blank film said it looked like it had been through the radar at customs. Well, it stayed round for a bit, then sailed off.

 Q: Did you check to see...

 A: Yeah, yeah. The next day, Bob (is it in focus) Gruen rang the Daily News Times plae to see if anyone else reported anything.  Two other people and or groups said they too saw something, anyway. I know what I saw.

 Q: Aren't you afraid people won't believe you? Crazy Lennon---- Maharishi, etc,

A: That's just one of the many burdens I will have to bear in this day of of waterbabies, inflation, generation crap, highly influential, but not untidy...

 Q: . That's very brave of you. John, talking of Maharishi, what is the concept behind your new album? Walls and Bridges ---out now. 

A: It's an unconcept album.

 Q But it has to have one.

 A  No, it doesn't.

 Q: Yes, it does. Take the first track, for instance, "Going Down on Love" that seems to be saying something...

 A: Next you'll be asking me, who's "Steal and Glass" is about (third track, side two).  I can tell you who it isn't about. For instance, it's not about Jackie Kennedy, Mort Sahl, Sammy Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, it's not about her either.

 Q: It's not about Paul again, is it? I mean, you two are like-- I mean, grow up.

 A: Wrong again.

 Q: Everyone's saying this is your best album since Imagine, how do you feel? 

A:  I prefer the "Mother/ Working Class Hero" than "Imagine" album myself. However, I suppose anything you do is either better or worse than something or other. I mean, that's how we seem to categorize things. It's probably the way we remember. It helps us remember 'this fish tastes as good as the fish we had in St Tropez, but not as nice as the one Arthur caught off Long Island. On the other hand, do you remember that fish and chip shop in Blackpool?'

 Q, I'm supposed to keep this up for a few more pages when actually I'd finish the whole thing on 'do you like glitter?' 

A:  Yes.

 Q:  It's so hard to think of questions to ask you. I mean, you must have been asked nearly everything over the last few years. Is there anything you'd like to say? You know, instead of just answering these dumb--- I mean, you can say anything you want. I'm sure you must have something to say that you haven't said already

 A: Not really.

 Q: Oh.

 A: I'll ask you one -- why does Rowan Polanski always wear the same suit? 

Q:  I'm stumped.

 A: To get to the other side, silly!

 Q:  My turn. What happened between you and Klein?

 A:  He was unfaithful.

 Q:  I mean-- you always seem to get in so deep with things, then the next minute...

 A:  To get to the other side, silly!

 Q:  That's deep. Do you see much of the other ex-Beatles? Or is it a sore point?

 A:  I love my little Beatles. I've seen a lot of Ringo because he comes to America a lot. As you know, I can't leave here, or they'll do a Charlie Chaplin on me, and I don't want an award at 60 telling me how wonderful I used to be, but not quite wonderful enough to be allowed to live here now. Paul, Ringo and I spent some nice afternoons at LA.  Paul and Linda also came to visit in New York recently, and we had a great evening reminiscing. In fact, it was two great evenings, which reminds me only yesterday to coin a phrase, he and lovely Linda sent me a heartwarming telegram about my new album, Walls and Bridges-- out now.

 Q:  Don't you ever stop name dropping and plugging your album Walls and Bridges --out now.?

A: Not, if I can help it.

Q: It's rather gross, John.

 A: 20% in fact.

 Q: How cute!  I see you never mentioned. George, is there something.....

A: No, it's just he hasn't been here in such a long time. 

Q: Is it true you and Ringo are going to appear with him on his upcoming tour?

A: Not on your nelly, just another rumor, Dr. 

Q:  Why not? It sounds like fun.

 A:  No one ever asked, and he probably wants all the loot for himself.

 Q:  That's a bit bitter sounding, John. People might get the wrong idea.

 A:  No, it's just a pleasant reality, my dear. Nothing more, nothing less.

 A:  Todd Rudgran said you were a 'fucking idiot' in an English rock paper. What do you have to say to that?

 A:  I appreciate his concern. 

Q: Is that all you're going to say? I mean, aren't you going to be bitingly witty or something?

 A: Well, I did write a little something. I sent it to the Melody Maker. The trouble is, I like the little rabbit.

 Q:  Have you any plans to go tour? Like it's a long time since? What was it? Geraldo?

 A:  I haven't got a band. It's not that easy without a band. I mean, you've got to start from scratch. I get a lot of offers to do benefits. It makes me guilty to refuse. The trouble is-- the people that ask don't understand the business. 

Q:  That sounds like a cop out, John, if you don't mind me saying so.

A: Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I also get big money offers too, but that doesn't make the job easier, slightly more interesting. But ....

Q:  I hear you've been doing a lot of radio.

 A:  In connection with my new album, Walls and Bridges-- out now. 

Q:  How do you like being a DJ?

 A: Actually, I really enjoy it. I was brought up on it ---radio. I mean, I've been thinking of doing something regular for a few years now. I don't mean just playing records, but like making tapes, and I wouldn't like to get stuck in there, you know, with formats and such. I thought the best thing to do would be to, you know, just make tapes and put them on at WBAI, Pacifica or whatever. They could have any money, etc, and I'd have fun. Maybe I will. I just never seem to get to it. Though, I was talking to an old ex radio friend Elliot (after dinner) Mintz, on the west coast, he said, he said he'd love to help. You know, well, who knows?

 Q: I'm sure a lot of people would love to.

 A: Yes. Yes. Quite 

Q:  Talking of radio, I heard that you and, of all people, Howard Cosell, are going to do something together.

 A On radi -- Yes, I only heard about it today myself. Hmm, interesting.

 Q:  It's your birthday soon, and you'll be 34. Doesn't that worry you? You know, aging pacifist rock star crinkles before our eyes, that kind of thing. 

A: Ninth of October, send presents to Lennon Music, 1370 Avenue of the Americas, sixth floor. I caught like feeling the way I do since 30 etc. --Is, in fact, it feels better than saying 24. It's the sound of it. It sounds sort of scary. You know --life simply flashes by, and me still trying to get in the top 10 and all, but it feels okay.

 Q: Do you think you'll make any more movies? I mean, appear in them, like that Dick Lester thing, How I Won the War

A:  The main thing that I learned from that when-- when was it? 66/67? Was that it was boring-- sitting around waiting for the director. He has all the fun -- not that I'm actually inundated with... but the things that do come my way are sort of--- I think 'shit' is the word I'm looking for. 

Q:  How about writing music for movies? 

A: Well, obviously, I get offered more of that kind of thing, but it would have to really interest me.

 Q:   Why are you typing this as if someone was here with you, asking you these things? 

Q: It makes a change...anyway, I enjoy typing.  I only learned it last year, but my neck is beginning to hurt, and it's getting a bit boring. 

Q:  I'm sorry, just a few more questions, Mr. Lennon. I'm sure you understand, I have a deadline-- my editor, etc.

 A:  All right, then --GET ON WITH IT

Q:  Have you ever fucked a guy?

 A:  Not yet. I thought I'd save it till I was 40. Life begins at 40, you know, though I never noticed it.

 Q:  It is treny to be bisexual, and you're usually "keeping up with the Joneses"  haven't you ever?  There was talk about you and PAUL.

 A:  Oh, I thought it was about me and Brian. Epstein, anyway, I'm saving all the juice from my own version of THE REAL FAB FOUR STORY etc, etc. 

Q:  It seems like you're saving quite a lot for when you're 40. 

A:  Yes, there might be nothing better to do, though I don't believe it.

 Q: Your life must be so glamorous being a superstar and meeting people like Howard Cosell and Mayor Beame.

 A:  I haven't met either of them. 

Q:  Well, you know what I mean, because of my association with you, people are always asking me, 'What's he really like?'  How can I tell them you're just a beautiful, shy, modest, amazingly creative, paranoid pop star.

 A:  Shucks, you don't have to do that. Just listen to my new album, Walls and Bridges-- out now. 

Q: Of course, on the other hand, you're a fucking ego maniac.

 A:  Of course, but who is it?

 Q:  Offhand, I can't name one. 

A:  Well, if you find one, let's go and interview him/her/it.

 Q: What a jolly idea. Perhaps we could get a commission, you know, a sort of wandering Jill Johnston.

 A: I bought her a pair of shoes once-- she's never forgiven me. Didn't somebody buy the Village Voice?  It seems to have changed a little, mainly in the way they squash the front page up. Does Jann Wenner own it or what? 

Q:  No, it's just keeping up...

 A:  With the times-- we all know that one. I don't care what Lori Sebastian says. I had enough of this anyway. It's not as if I'm on the cover or anything. I mean, geez, I love Andy and everything. But this is it.

 With that, Mr. Lennon showed me the door, which was white. He was wearing jeans and a Mick Jagger t-shirt. I wore a certain look.



Lounging

Photo taken by Jo Jo Laine

 

Sylvie with Paul's bass






 

Waving Paul


 March 27, 2026 

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